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And welcome to the March seventeenth select
board meeting this meeting is called to

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order at six thirty pm I have

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a very full agenda this evening but we
will start with fifteen minutes of public

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comment as we always do but
I have a show of hands for

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a number of folks who are looking to make
public comment this evening so I think

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we've got three OK so if folks could limit
themselves to just about four or five

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minutes I'd be good so Mr Vicary had
indicated to me before the meeting that he'd

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like to speak so I'm calling on him first.
And please identify yourself folks at

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home thank you Ms O'Keefe select board
members I'm Peter Vicary from Cherry Lane

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Amherst and I'd like to make

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a brief proposal and that is that the
select board consider eight forty eight our

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liquor ban in the run up to the next
Friesen Patrick's Day weekend event or non

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event I hope next year in order to break
that tradition the response of Bertie for

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the attacks on our police officers and
members of the public over the course of

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that we can rest exclusively with the
people who committed those acts of violence

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they alone bear responsibility but our town
has some responsibility for allowing to

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take root by acquiescing in it
this annual event which has become

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a tradition my belief we need to break
that tradition in order to break that

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tradition there are

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a number of possibilities one of which
I believe essential to breaking that

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tradition is

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a forty eight hour liquor ban and I believe
that Ms brew was right last year when

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she said that this year if things did not
go well that's something the board should

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consider lawyers have this concept of an
attractive nuisance whereby land owners

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are liable for people who
come onto their land towards

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a hazardous condition if those people are
not capable of understanding the nature

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of the has a defect children
in other words this is not

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a good or perfect analogy but it is some
analogy. Blah blah it is not an attractive

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nuisance the participants are not children
but there is something to the analogy we

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have allowed to happen

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a hazardous condition that is akin to an
attractive nuisance and the people who pay

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the price are the people who suffer the
violence including our police officers who

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were attacked and who responded with
consummate professional ism and restraint in

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the face of unprovoked violence so in order
to cut this tradition short and make

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sure it doesn't recur I believe that we
need to first of all decide that the

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tradition must stop and in order to make
sure that it does not recur that we have

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a period when there is a liquor
ban for forty eight hours

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a lot of people will suffer I will suffer
in their pocketbooks and will suffer some

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and. But if we're to prevent this going
in any further effort to prevent

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a repeat I'm afraid that some of us are
going to have to share in the suffering

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that has been spread around over the
last few years so I realize it's not

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a complete solution but I do believe it
is part of the solution and the current

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policy has not been effective with the
best of intentions the policy in this town

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is adopted toward the precint Patrick's
Day weekend partying has been ineffective

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we judge policies not by their intentions
but by the results and the results of the

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policy that's been in effect in the
last few years the results have been an

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embarrassment so I believe that it's time
to change Thank you thank you very much

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for coming and had already had indications
from two other folks in back. Yes Mr

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Ting. And please identify
as nothing Gabriel

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ting you can sit down just real quickly I
just want to make an introduction I think

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you have the police department like
to introduce Terry Coles Squire is

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representative from mascot local for
thirty one Speaker thank you very much.

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Thank you I want to make

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a brief statement to the town today
on behalf of the police officers

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with the town but the superior officers
union and the patrol officers union

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concerning the recent blarney blowout that
has gained national attention concerning

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the issues that have been raised as to the
police department's response considering

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the issues the broader issues as to why
this occurred and what can be done to

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address it. In that in these comments I
want to make three basic points I think the

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first point is that instead of
directing the attention soley

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or primarily to the police department the
main thing that should come out of an

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inquiry in this the main direction should
be to look at the broader social cultural

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psychological political issues that
lead to these party slash riots

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occurring and I guess in in conjunction
with that I think it is important for the

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town to realize that while the blarney
blowout was perhaps the most egregious

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of these types of events that the police
department the officers that work in the

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police department are faced with these
types of parties slash riots occurring in

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the town weekend and weekend in Weekend
out every week of the year sometimes they

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involve hundreds of students sometimes they
involve thousands of students but it's

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repeating and so the first thing that needs
to be done by both the university by

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the town is to try and figure out
what can be done to. Figure out

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why these students are behaving this way
and why and then once you figure out some

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ID. Ias of what's causing students to
essentially drink to access essentially

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become violent essentially disregard
authority and require the police to

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take additional steps then the second thing
that needs to be done is to figure out

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how to solve it now part of that solution
is going to involve having the police

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department work with the town and
the university to come up with

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a solution but the it would be

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a shame if the only solution looked to
is the police department because there's

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absolutely no way that

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a police department in this town is ever
by itself going to be able to address

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a riot that is

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a that is involving up to ten thousand up
to four thousand students ten thousand

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students marauding through the town. So
I think that those two things need to

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happen first the root causes of why this
is occurring and the broader solutions to

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Wise's occurring. After that an
examination of the police department's

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response needs to consider two principal
things it needs to consider that

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in in light of the staffing in the police
department which has been reduced by

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eight officers in the last in the last
eight years it's gone from fifty one

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officers to

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a current forty three officers that these
officers not only during the blarney

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blowout but in all of these riot party
type situations have acted with consummate

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professionalism and they've done that
in the face of working the long hours

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not only their regular shifts which are
hard enough but being called on often to

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work mandatory overtime in
weekends and the town has to at

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a minimum face the need for additional
staffing for the police department there

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should be at a minimum the return to
the staffing of eight years ago at

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a minimum the return to the staffing of
fifty one officers rather than the current

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forty three if you that will not necessarily
solve the issue but it will lead

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to

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a more effective response by the department
by with officers that are not exhausted

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and depleted in the matter that they are
now due to the low staffing so we would

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ask that the town consider that overall
response in support of the police officers

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in this town thank you very much thank
you for coming and there another police

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officer who had been looking to speak at
this time. OK. Please come forward and

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identify yourself or folks
at home. My name is Helen.

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I'm a candidate for some like but I'm
I'm and you mass alumna. And I am

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a former journalist that would like to bring
transparency and accountability to the

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town government in this town the blarney
blowout was created by merchants on

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Thursday's Daily Hampshire to set Mr Musante
our town manager was pictured splashed

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across the front page of the guess that in
front of Mick Murphy's tavern that sends

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the wrong message I resent on behalf
of the students Mrs O'Keefe and I

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stayed away from your little soiree today
because I was so irritated that you

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waited until St Patrick's Day The real
holiday when the students are on spring

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break to put your letter in The Boston
Globe slamming the students would you

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consider to be an industry in this town
if I am elected to the select board

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students will get an education at U.

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Mass they will not be considered assets in

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a housing industry I will return the
neighborhoods back to the residence of

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Amherst I will turn education back to the
University of Massachusetts which is

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an excellent school. And has fallen behind
since I left in the seventy's no longer

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do people have professors in every class
they have they're lucky if they get

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a professor now back to the blarney blowout
I live in north Amherst there were

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conditions there I was out since ten o'clock
in the morning yes the kids were drunk

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yes they were happy but if you send
a riot squad out guess what you get

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a riot if you have build

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a nuclear bomb guess what you need to find
someone to drop it on I'm sorry I do not

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believe that we need more public safety
officials what we need is responsible and

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safe places for people to drink and that
would include forgoing the ten percent

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federal funding that we get to the
transportation budget for the state so that we

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can roll back the drinking age to
eighteen so that students who could go to

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Afghanistan could have

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a beer as they did when I was here in the
seventy's and I will say this town is

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profiting every time
they send an ambulance

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a thousand dollars goes into the
town's coffers I'm sorry that may be

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a combination of big pharmaceutical
companies medicating students and the

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combination of alcohol but we used to be
able to have keg parties in the dorms and

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there was nothing like what's goes on here
now now the real question is how many

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students go to you mass it somewhere
up around forty thousand if you count

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continuing education people will go into
continuing continuing education take

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a class in order to secure
a job at U. Mass in the U.

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Mass Transit which can
hire enough temporary C.

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Drivers because students have finals and
they don't always make their shifts. They

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can get jobs in the dining
common if they take

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a class that you massive cost about eleven
hundred dollars but that's what's going

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on here this is about forty thousand
students here this ten thousand resident you

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have comments that are directed at the
select Would rather than the university yes

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I directed

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a comment to Mr Mousavi and to you Mrs
O'Keefe OK What I am saying is we need to

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roll be the first state in this nation to
roll back the drinking age forego the ten

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percent funding Mr since you
are the chairman of the P.T.A.

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And want to put

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a one point six million dollars bridge at
puffers pond against the wishes of the

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residents and let me also
directed to. Dave Burgess and

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a town employee who you can't live in town

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a lot of people work here who can't
live in town but in fact there is

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a road built I think as you implied
there was not the Cushman retreat

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area to get to the waterworks and we're
going to put one hundred seventy four more

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units there and not allow the consultant
to tell the residents of this town where

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those units will be located I sat in
that meeting and it was dictated by the

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Planning Board who the consultant was going
to be at was already pre-selected to be

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paid by the developer as per going to have
to ask you to wrap up now I am going to

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wrap up and as I said. After the Blondie
blowout we're going to locate another

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eight hundred vehicles in North am her thank
you very much that's a village it has

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a post office and I speak for the neighbors
and the students and all the people of

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Amherst you need to start listening thank
you very much thank you for coming in

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this evening and he went off the public
comment tonight. All right then thank you

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all for coming in your prescience very
much our first time to him is at six forty

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five and is six forty three at the moment
we cannot start our public hearings early

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so we will do something quick before we
get to the first the Galatians public

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hearing. Checks for taxi

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drivers as. I move that
the select board approved

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a new two thousand and fourteen taxi driver
slash chauffeur license for Henry pack

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of the pack eco scuse me are patchy
go on behalf of Barron's paradise

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transportation so I can further discussion
favor say aye oh that's unanimous

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I move that the select board approve

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a new two thousand and fourteen taxi driver
slash chauffeur license for William way

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and

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a half of errands paradise transportation
so I can buy the discussion

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favor say aye. That's. A
move that dislike board

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a proven new two thousand and fourteen
taxi driver slash over license for Gerald

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bowed tune on behalf of Aaron's paradise
transportation so I can but there's

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gushing favor say aye aye aye that is
unanimous thank you very much OK So at six

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forty five and our first public hearing
this evening we have four different public

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hearings on liquor licenses tonight we
have we've staggered them at five minutes

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apart each but that's not because we expect
them to only take five minutes each but

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because we cannot. Start

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a new one before it's posted time so we
don't want to have blank space so our first

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one tonight is

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a new on premise wine and application for
Oriental flavor are the folks for that

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here if you could come
forward. All right to the

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public hearing for Oriental flavor is
opening at six forty five pm we have in our

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select board packets the application
material for this this is also in our web

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packets for folks who are following along
at home so folks understand how this will

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go first the applicant will present the
information about his license application

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the select board will then ask questions
of the applicant Well then go to the

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public for public comment once there is no
more public comment and the sly part is

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done asking questions we will close the
public hearing and then deliberate on the

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license I just want to give

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a little bit of background about this this
is the license this is for an on premise

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wine and malt license this is a category
at which we had been at capacity for

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a while we when

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a little. Local restaurant went out of
business they did not renew this license so

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this license now was available
for the first time in

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a while the select board put together

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a process when this had happened several
years ago of what to do in such

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a situation and so we announced I think
it was back in December that this license

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was going to be available
and that there was

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a deadline in February for any interested
parties to to put in an application for

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this license so that there was a
level playing field it wasn't

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a sense of OK just whoever happens to get
their license in first their application

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and first would qualify for this. That
deadline passed we notified the chamber in

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the bed all kinds of folks about this
we put on the town website we did event

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ultimately only receive the one applications
are just want folks to know this is

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we're kind of closing the loop on that
situation and this is when we had long

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planned to have that hearing for however
many applications we received the

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subsequent licenses we will be considering
tonight are not part of this application

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that's all the background you need so here
we are and please identify yourself and

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tell us about your application.
All in their favor

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was George fond almost

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a. And so far we have

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a set of. Very positive very good
Firebag for local calls from.

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The customer. During our opening time
with only as we have so delicious

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food the way you would have all call ICE
and. They were. Doing the same thing with

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our. So. For ideas.

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I think almost. Fine and hopefully today

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we will gather here. And
location twenty five thousand.

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Let's buy an American building
and so far we have thirty.

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One in well I love. And have. Entries.

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In trade for for employee in the city
which the location of it I mean if.

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You actually need to speak into the mix
or you need to be sitting down to be

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speaking to the Mike thank you thank you
so could you tell us about your plans for

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training staff in alcohol sales Yeah. So

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I have experience. Made me call the
moving forward for many years I was

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walking try for many years and doing

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a cost of. Now application.

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Appreciate. The wording. Here.

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Yeah. You have me and I so far

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I think everything. Yeah.

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Yeah so far as it goes well and. With the
attorney like to come forward and speak

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about this application
at all here OK All right

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so you said you're familiar with. Serving
alcohol through your work at Chinese food

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how do you intend to train your
staff in the intricacies of.

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Accepting legitimate only legitimate
licenses and not over serving patrons.

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We. For all we the training stay for the.

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I think. The most thing
to get we just apply for

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a really. Nice and. Easy.

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Then. Hi. Sorry the language issue.

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Yeah. Yeah OK so what do
you mean you think that's

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easier than all alcohol.

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Why I think it's very easy to
just buy. The customer. And

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check. Every customer. When he was.

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Twenty one. And check it out.

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Healthy living with your. And that

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chicken a cost him

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a whole maybe already during the time of
being. Poor much doing all it's something

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you know right when we were in that
shelter. We have to watch every

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costume. For a. While And then we have

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a check of

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a. Healthy connotation. So

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this is something that we take very seriously
in Amherst we actually have really

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excellent compliance thanks in large part
to our fine folks here and because our

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the folks who hold our liquor licenses
understand how serious. A situation it is

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with the large college population so there
are specific training programs for staff

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there are specific ID readers that
folks can get so that they because

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the fake licenses are extremely
sophisticated it's not just

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a matter of looking at it and seeing what
the birthday is so have you taken any

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steps towards anything
like this. Could you talk

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a little bit more about that.
How have the training to stave.

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What could I borrow. And to have to say
now that what I'll call school. God or

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the operator license. And. The.

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Ability to waste. So we sort of wind it
will cost and then the second thing that he

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we have to consider about at

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a cost of the situation of all the.
Age about it healthy completion.

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And of all that. He she
already. And it come.

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Down to continue into doing you have conceded
about these two Yeah OK now your turn

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you would like to add some information
here. And if you could identify yourself

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Good evening I'm Tom Reedy I'm going to
turn you with bacon rolls in Amherst. Like

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I said I haven't prepared

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a review this up location I'd be happy if
the Board would like we could continue

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this I like to talk to Mr Jang to see if
we could continue it because I'd like to

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talk to him about tips certification
service safe and those type of procedural

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safeguards to make sure that he understands
the responsibility he's taking on.

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Scale it's bad at. Speaking. Right
and so I don't want you to be

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unfairly prejudiced in this process by
perhaps not understanding my questions or

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the situation so but we need to be crystal
clear on our end that you understand the

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responsibilities behind this so. So. Sorry
would you be amenable to continuing this

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hearing and to the date certain so that
we could get more of this information yes

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please OK All right we haven't
done that before. Would we simply

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do that now or would we take more comment
before we did. It's your pleasure

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OK I think it would be I think it would
make sense I think it would be very good

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for the select board to have

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a. More complete understanding
of your understanding of of the

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safety training and all the repercussions
of the situation so I think that's

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a good idea. Yes I appreciate that and I
think you and I want to make sure that

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we're clear on what point is

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a key for already made is that we don't
want our lack of language ability to impact

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you negatively either and so. It would
just be good if we knew that we had those

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various assurances that the attorneys just
referred to because one of the things

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that often happens in

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a situation like this with any licenses
even though you personally have had

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experience serving before and working
with other ways you haven't held

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a license in Massachusetts before whereas
Very often we have applicants who have

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previously you know they know the drill so
to speak of they have had to hold it in

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Massachusetts before so they know they're
very familiar with all that terminology

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and so while you personally
are as has a holder of

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a liquor license you haven't had that
experience yet and I appreciate that you've

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applied for that wine and malt license
rather than the cordials and the Corps or

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the all alcohol but again has been so key
points out that doesn't really change

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anything in terms of the level of seriousness
in terms of the things you very much

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pointed out with licenses and whether or
not people are fit to continue to consume

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on your premises so if it
if it isn't going to cause

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a big problem I think just the reassurance
that everybody's on the same page.

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Because of the fact that this is not

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a previous holder I think would feel more
comfortable for all of us OK So I think

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then that we should move to continue this
hearing to is two weeks enough time OK so

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then that would be March thirty
first and think about what's

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there are already. Let's say seven o'clock
I think seven o'clock is safe on that

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date and you know I mean just like.

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Yeah seven o'clock would be

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a good time to do that thank you for every
day so we need to move that and I so

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move second hearing be continued until
March thirty first at seven o'clock so I

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can and for the discussion on favor say aye
aye aye aye that's unanimous tremendous

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Oh see back here on the thirty first time
clock right thank you very much thank you

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track and for understanding our
concerns OK next step then we have

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a transfer of an all alcohol off premise
license for Russell's liquors folks here

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from us.

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Big question all right well thank you so
that Russell's liquors hearing is called

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to order at six fifty eight pm and welcome
introduce yourself tell us about this my

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I'm Christy voting from C.

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Well Jan cowskin Spencer and I'm the
attorney representing might arise when

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Brodrick works fine to have Russell's
lickers license transferred to them.

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We've submitted

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a packet we submitted some additional
documents today to you which you should have

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gotten for the packet. Lindsay Broaddrick
is intended to be the manager of

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Brussels and she's actually been working
for the last several months in the store

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with Bill and Gerry Russell and learning
the ropes and she's out has experience

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bartending in pasta Iwas to be taking
over the operations of muscles

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so if you have any questions we're here to
answer any concerns that you might have

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OK Gerri Brussel will be staying on
actually as an employee of the store for an

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indeterminate period of time so even though
the ownership is going to transfer. Not

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all the bodies will transfer so there's
Candace is here to tell me that everyone

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needs to speak directly into the mike sorry
about that. OK So Mr Russell you said

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is going to stay on yes that transfer OK
All right anything else you folks want to

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add before we go to select for questions.
Yes I've been hearing at six fifty.

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OK. All right so that's the applicants
presentation so questions first from the

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select more than public comment. Like
board members and so this is really just

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basically moving on Mr Russell is selling
or transferring whatever whatever that

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the Russell family are transferring the
assets of the business to Brought this is

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Alina. Lindsey Broaddrick Lindsay will be
really doing most of the work in running

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the store Lena will be behind the
scenes providing financial support and

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bookkeeping but yeah they're
they're going to do a sort of

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a phase transition so that bill and Gerry
can eventually retire out of the business

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and they'll be taken over by the new owners
of the question the comments from like

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. Again this strikes me as

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a rather unusual situation for
us not at all for us in terms of

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we don't. It just isn't common that we
see liquor like broken licenses for

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liquor stores change that's not

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a common thing to have happen nearly
to the extent that like managers of

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restaurants change that's much more
typical So again in this case although it

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appears that the applicants from
their application have not run

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a liquor store before the fact that there
is the transition between the old ship

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and the old and the fact that they're
familiar with the rules associated with

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having worked in the restaurant industry
that had liquor licenses you know from

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that level it's just

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a slightly different kind of. And so that
the manager essentially will be the same

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or whether she was manager previously or
not at least carrying over that experience

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the knowledge that. We've got the knowledge
of ownership and. Responsible surfing

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through the restaurant situation and events
within retail setting with staff and

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the continuation of Mr Russell other questions
or comments from select board before

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we go to the public OK. Mr and you have

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a question well. OK then I wish you luck
to cure anything from either of the

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Russell's They're both here as well Bill
and Jerry. If there's anything that they

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want to add I mean they were
pretty straight forward. Going

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to point to. Me.

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Just reiterate is Jerry will be staying on
full time and he's been in this business

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for

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a long time I've been there I'm the president
of the corporation right now which is

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hopefully just going to seize after forty
seven plus years. My capacity but I may

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be in and out continually even you know
whatever's necessary jury will be there

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full time and he's basically the
transition should go very very very smooth

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we're doing this out of necessity
myself. And after three generations

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in the first package store I should say
first my grandfather was the first one to

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sew alcoholic beverage in the town of
Amherst So our history is there for third

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generation so we didn't want to
sell it to somebody who as such

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these people I think are going to be very
very good and everything should go very

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very smoothly thank you very much thank
you. Comments from Psycho before you open

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up to the public. All right anyone from
the public like to comment on this

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application. OK. Then it's like Ford

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Well let's see I will take a motion
to close the public hearing at seven

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o three pm. It's been moved so I can
second then for the discussion closed the

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public hearing at seven o three pm favor
say aye nine animists close at seven

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o three time for select board deliberation
folks like to deliberate the Stein I

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think it sounds like

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a very well thought out transfer from
one entity to the other night and

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reassured. Over lack of expertise to the

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new owners thank you very much for the
questions or comments Mr Walter just in this

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in the same vein appreciate the fact that

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a respected institution of long standing
is taking the commit Communities Act

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attitudes and welfare into concert and into
consideration here and really thinking

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about it not just selling
out for money but making

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a place that fits and we appreciate that
the questions coming from like are all

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just No not precisely germane to your
license application but as you know as all

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folks are here for and the public
comment earlier that Barney blowout was

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a very big deal in town and I think
that you can expect to have to have

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conversations larger conversations among
the business community and with the town

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about what kind of role are retailers whether
they be packaged doors or restaurants

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but really the whole downtown
community what kind of

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a role we all play in this and how we can
find solutions together because I think

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we can all agree that what happened this
year can't happen again and we're really

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going to be looking to our license
holders and and the rest of the business

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community to be part of that solution so
I just want to take that opportunity to

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mention that OK anything else then
this application. It's time to

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make

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a motion. I moved out the select board
approved the application of modern Razzo and

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Broderick incorporated ninety
North Valley Road. That's

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a to use it for the transfer of an off
premise all alcohol package store

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annual liquor license and M G O chapter one
thirty eight Section fifteen currently

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held by Russell's liquors eighteen Main
Street Amherst Demi the premises described

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as one hundred by twenty four foot wide
broom with coolers shelving storage space

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and a cash register area with one entrance
exit at the front of the premises and

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a basement storage area one hundred feet
by twenty four feet which is not open to

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the public nor included in the total floor
space of the premises as outlined in the

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floor plan Lindsay M.

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Broderick manager second for the
discussion paper say I like

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it was unanimous thank you very much you
very much thank you for your complete

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application Good luck with the transfer
and we'll be seeing you OK next step we

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have

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a transfer of alcohol on premise license
for the monkey Barbie Stroh sixty three.

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I'm opening this public hearing at seven

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o six pm welcome introduce yourself and
talking about that good evening again

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I'm Tom Reedy an attorney with bacon
Wilson here in Amherst here on behalf of

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bistro sixty three Monkey Bar L.L.C.

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And it's application for the transfer of
an on premises all alcohol liquor license

435
00:36:45,84 --> 00:36:50,11
pursuant to Mass General Laws chapter one
thirty eight section sell twelve excuse

436
00:36:50,12 --> 00:36:57,09
me with me this evening is the proposed
manager of record Ross if Rafique. I'll get

437
00:36:57,10 --> 00:37:01,50
in to him specifically later in the
procedural safeguards and infrastructure that

438
00:37:02,03 --> 00:37:06,67
he personally has he's been in the food
and beverage industry for since two

439
00:37:06,68 --> 00:37:12,44
thousand and six so as far as how I'd like
to present the technical aspects of this

440
00:37:12,75 --> 00:37:16,87
application first and then I'll get
into kind of like I said the procedural

441
00:37:16,88 --> 00:37:18,07
safeguards and let you know

442
00:37:18,08 --> 00:37:24,69
a little bit about ROSS If so hopefully
if you have the opportunity to review the

443
00:37:24,70 --> 00:37:29,08
application that we submitted the current
license holder is the monkey business

444
00:37:29,77 --> 00:37:35,88
this is again one of those succession
plans and Rocephin sixty three

445
00:37:36,66 --> 00:37:38,26
this is the first step in hopefully

446
00:37:38,27 --> 00:37:41,23
a few different transactions we've
got the liquor license we need

447
00:37:41,24 --> 00:37:46,19
a common Vick to be transferred and we're
also we have to go to the Zoning Board of

448
00:37:46,20 --> 00:37:49,98
Appeals to get a new special
permit to operate there so

449
00:37:50,02 --> 00:37:55,21
a lot of right now the special permit
allows operation from eleven am to one am.

450
00:37:56,86 --> 00:38:01,32
And so there will be some time is when we
go for that special permit and we've had

451
00:38:01,33 --> 00:38:04,89
discussions with Rob Moore and Jeff bag
building commissioner and senior planner

452
00:38:04,90 --> 00:38:09,84
respectively were guarding some of the
conditions of that permit but that's that

453
00:38:09,85 --> 00:38:16,69
third step of this process for Russ if in
his brother to purchase the businesses

454
00:38:16,70 --> 00:38:21,71
what they're ultimately looking
to do. So as I said we've got

455
00:38:21,72 --> 00:38:25,86
a Massachusetts limited liability company
here and Bistro sixty three the Monkey

456
00:38:26,18 --> 00:38:32,35
Bar Russ if and his brother Rob are the
owners is the manager of the L.L.C.

457
00:38:32,36 --> 00:38:36,77
He will also be the hopeful manager of
record should the board wish to grant this.

458
00:38:38,25 --> 00:38:38,37
Is

459
00:38:38,38 --> 00:38:42,83
a US citizen over the age of twenty one twenty
seven I believe his birthday was yesterday

460
00:38:42,83 --> 00:38:47,98
. And lives in Massachusetts he came here
believe in two thousand and six or two

461
00:38:47,99 --> 00:38:53,68
thousand and five to Hampshire College and
decided to make Amherst his home he is

462
00:38:53,69 --> 00:38:58,45
a resident of Amherst We're not proposing
any alterations to the premises keeping

463
00:38:58,46 --> 00:39:01,68
it in the condition
that it's in you've got

464
00:39:01,69 --> 00:39:05,38
a floor plan in your pack and I'd actually
like to if it pleases the board to

465
00:39:05,39 --> 00:39:11,91
supplement that with an updated version
which will show the basement where the

466
00:39:11,92 --> 00:39:15,15
storage of the alcohol actually occurs and
we think this is something that should

467
00:39:15,16 --> 00:39:16,61
this board approve of the A.B.C.

468
00:39:16,62 --> 00:39:19,73
Would like to see so if I may.

469
00:39:36,31 --> 00:39:37,56
And as you see there's

470
00:39:37,57 --> 00:39:41,33
a first floor and then an internal staircase
leading down to the cooler in the

471
00:39:41,34 --> 00:39:45,73
storage that's as it is apparently
and that won't change it's about

472
00:39:45,74 --> 00:39:49,70
a three thousand eight hundred thirty eight
square foot building two entrances five

473
00:39:49,71 --> 00:39:56,31
exits like I said storage in the basement
and we're currently leasing from the

474
00:39:56,32 --> 00:39:58,32
owner of the property it's

475
00:39:58,33 --> 00:40:03,18
a five year lease with two five year
extensions and also like I said later this

476
00:40:03,19 --> 00:40:06,21
week we hope to submit that special
permit application to the Zoning Board of

477
00:40:06,22 --> 00:40:08,74
Appeals. For the allowance of

478
00:40:08,75 --> 00:40:15,03
a class two restaurant in that location. A
little bit about over see if like I said

479
00:40:15,04 --> 00:40:18,98
he came to Amherst I feel like I'm repeating
myself quite often he came to Emerson

480
00:40:18,99 --> 00:40:22,96
two thousand and five he's been in the
food and beverage industry since two

481
00:40:22,97 --> 00:40:28,22
thousand and six promoted to general manager
at the Monkey Bar in September of two

482
00:40:28,23 --> 00:40:29,95
thousand and thirteen he's C.P.R.

483
00:40:29,96 --> 00:40:34,61
Certified First Aid certified he's gone
through the Massachusetts food allergen

484
00:40:34,65 --> 00:40:39,14
awareness training and most notably
he's been a participant in

485
00:40:39,15 --> 00:40:45,75
a safe ID check program. Also notably
all bartenders and servers are tips

486
00:40:45,76 --> 00:40:50,37
certified and I think most recently this
past weekend there were no incidents or at

487
00:40:50,38 --> 00:40:54,56
the blarney ball no incidents with the
Monkey Bar We would suggest that the

488
00:40:54,57 --> 00:40:58,97
procedural safeguards are in place the
certification course that Ross if went

489
00:40:58,98 --> 00:41:05,38
through is very intensive he's able to
spot. Fake I.D.'s something very well

490
00:41:06,03 --> 00:41:10,28
and so we'd be happy to answer any questions
that you have at this time either me

491
00:41:10,29 --> 00:41:16,96
or ROSS If thank you very much
questions or comments from. The.

492
00:41:19,16 --> 00:41:25,41
I want to be very careful how
I phrase this but. We have

493
00:41:26,35 --> 00:41:33,16
Sky We have not received any negative
feedback from our police chief

494
00:41:33,21 --> 00:41:39,29
associated with this although we have in
the past seen incidents reported to us.

495
00:41:40,42 --> 00:41:44,50
That the monkey bar has been somewhat of

496
00:41:44,51 --> 00:41:49,79
a frequent flyer in terms of. Violations.

497
00:41:50,69 --> 00:41:56,31
So since we haven't received feedback
that says this is an ongoing problem you

498
00:41:56,32 --> 00:41:59,56
should really think twice about approving
this since we have not received that

499
00:41:59,57 --> 00:42:03,77
information I'm working under the assumption
that with various trainings that's

500
00:42:03,78 --> 00:42:09,37
been addressed does that feel like an
assumption that we want to the police chief

501
00:42:09,38 --> 00:42:12,93
is here does the police chief have any
comment on this particular application

502
00:42:13,15 --> 00:42:16,30
program not going to be calling on you
until I get public comment later.

503
00:42:22,93 --> 00:42:28,72
The application process was approved through
May through background checks and the

504
00:42:28,72 --> 00:42:35,06
. The comments that I received from the
current owner as to the abilities of the

505
00:42:35,07 --> 00:42:40,99
new owner so it was it was approved by
myself you know the bottom line is the

506
00:42:41,98 --> 00:42:45,80
issues from the past have been addressed
and I wouldn't categorize them as

507
00:42:46,68 --> 00:42:48,27
continuous but you know in

508
00:42:48,28 --> 00:42:52,32
a college town of this size the number of
people that we're dealing with I think

509
00:42:53,14 --> 00:42:54,32
all the establishments do

510
00:42:54,33 --> 00:43:00,72
a fine job so thank you thank you very much
for the question to come it's Mr he'd.

511
00:43:01,82 --> 00:43:05,60
Like you that question. That I
didn't have to ask it but I have

512
00:43:05,61 --> 00:43:12,11
a brother process question. The the Z.B.

513
00:43:12,12 --> 00:43:18,78
a. Approval which which may just you
know they just made and like leave

514
00:43:18,79 --> 00:43:25,58
everything as it is if. Something changes
with that if they change requirement.

515
00:43:26,59 --> 00:43:29,51
This is license then have to
come back to us to be is that

516
00:43:29,52 --> 00:43:33,84
a significant. What change is significant
enough for us to have to re review this

517
00:43:34,21 --> 00:43:41,07
or re approve it. Among the actions Z B A
might take so it is important to know and

518
00:43:41,08 --> 00:43:46,88
I'm sure Mr Reed he's aware that the are
your license covers your specific area.

519
00:43:48,71 --> 00:43:52,26
Right and that is the premises so tell us
more about what you're looking for from

520
00:43:52,93 --> 00:43:58,91
we're just so there's an existing special
permit in place issued many years ago but

521
00:43:58,92 --> 00:43:59,10
it has

522
00:43:59,11 --> 00:44:03,60
a condition on of that expires upon change
of ownership or management so as part of

523
00:44:03,61 --> 00:44:07,46
this process and typically the liquor
license process does take the longest So we

524
00:44:07,47 --> 00:44:10,77
want to get this ball rolling we're not
looking for any alteration of the premises

525
00:44:11,08 --> 00:44:14,65
from the Zoning Board of Appeals downcast
lighting all the typical conditions that

526
00:44:14,66 --> 00:44:18,66
they put on and we're looking really just
reaffirm the conditions that were in that

527
00:44:18,67 --> 00:44:24,73
original permit. We've had discussions as
I said with Mr Moore and Mr bag and we

528
00:44:24,74 --> 00:44:29,41
feel confident that we'll be able to meet
any of the criteria that they set out but

529
00:44:29,50 --> 00:44:34,21
I guess to answer your question if this
was approved in the special permit wasn't

530
00:44:34,22 --> 00:44:37,23
approved and we couldn't use
it in that space we'd have

531
00:44:37,24 --> 00:44:40,13
a problem and someone would have
to come back for a transfer of

532
00:44:40,14 --> 00:44:45,15
a liquor license to the other entity whatever
and if he was operating base we don't

533
00:44:45,16 --> 00:44:46,38
forsee that happening but is

534
00:44:46,39 --> 00:44:51,79
a procedural technicality that's what might
even be Mr correct so I think at the

535
00:44:51,80 --> 00:44:55,31
end of the day all of the pieces need to
match up or you can't go forward Precisely

536
00:44:55,32 --> 00:44:58,79
and that's why you've got this new floor
plan we're not changing it just kind of

537
00:44:58,80 --> 00:45:04,21
reaffirms what actually exists on the
ground thank you no questions or comments

538
00:45:04,22 --> 00:45:11,14
from select. OK so you're aware of
the situation it certainly has been

539
00:45:11,18 --> 00:45:14,29
big news this week you were probably
here for public comment and you're where

540
00:45:14,65 --> 00:45:20,19
police officers here. Service

541
00:45:21,18 --> 00:45:23,88
service of liquor in a college town is

542
00:45:23,92 --> 00:45:28,49
a pretty. Challenge and it is something
that we take very seriously it's something

543
00:45:28,50 --> 00:45:35,43
that Amherst really is quite good at
compliance with. But you need to understand

544
00:45:35,44 --> 00:45:35,90
what

545
00:45:35,94 --> 00:45:42,86
a significant community concern
this is. So do you want to speak

546
00:45:42,87 --> 00:45:49,77
at all about any extra safeguards
or any kind of the the kind of

547
00:45:49,78 --> 00:45:53,87
values that you're going to impart to your
staff about how you're going to run this

548
00:45:53,88 --> 00:45:57,23
business because this kind of
the business this is a this is

549
00:45:57,24 --> 00:46:00,38
a privilege in Amherst
not a right and it's

550
00:46:00,39 --> 00:46:05,37
a privilege that can be revoked if necessary
so I would if you could just sort of

551
00:46:05,38 --> 00:46:10,62
speak to your philosophy on responsible
serving and how you plan to impart that

552
00:46:10,66 --> 00:46:16,88
throughout your BUSINESS good evening ladies
and gentlemen honorable members of the

553
00:46:16,89 --> 00:46:19,55
select board and I thank you for giving me

554
00:46:19,56 --> 00:46:21,72
a chance of this hearing today and it is

555
00:46:21,73 --> 00:46:28,00
a privilege for me that you give me this
chance. Even with my current job as

556
00:46:28,01 --> 00:46:33,62
general manager I take my job extremely
seriously the students if you Mass Amherst

557
00:46:33,63 --> 00:46:38,26
of their parents trust the faculty and
administration to take care of their kids

558
00:46:38,32 --> 00:46:44,16
and directly they trust us businesspeople
in the town to serve and take care of

559
00:46:44,17 --> 00:46:51,00
their kids as they would alcohol food these
are very sensitive things to the human

560
00:46:51,01 --> 00:46:55,32
body so I always tell my staff
repetitively that we are in

561
00:46:55,33 --> 00:47:01,40
a very high risk business whatever the
consumers whatever our customers are

562
00:47:01,41 --> 00:47:05,63
consuming we are responsible for it not
only in the way that we are parent but in

563
00:47:05,64 --> 00:47:12,64
the way that we serve them so I take
my job extremely seriously I take. My

564
00:47:12,65 --> 00:47:18,54
responsibilities extremely seriously in
addition to the safeguards mentioned by Tom

565
00:47:19,02 --> 00:47:21,09
one of which is the J.B.S.

566
00:47:21,10 --> 00:47:23,42
Professional services tip certification

567
00:47:24,32 --> 00:47:30,17
a lot of businesses they send their staff
to do certificate and online or in large

568
00:47:30,18 --> 00:47:32,62
classes morrow and yellow

569
00:47:33,00 --> 00:47:36,64
a lot of you know one by Chief he
went to J B S professional it's

570
00:47:37,01 --> 00:47:41,10
a very expensive and the best tips are
terrific ation program out there in my

571
00:47:41,11 --> 00:47:46,37
knowledge it's run by people who work with
alcohol and Beverage Control Commission

572
00:47:46,41 --> 00:47:47,20
and have been there for

573
00:47:47,21 --> 00:47:52,81
a very long time so these guys came down
here and not only worked with us step by

574
00:47:52,82 --> 00:47:57,60
step but worked with us individually going
through fake licenses you know going

575
00:47:57,61 --> 00:48:04,52
through many scenarios. That every staff
should be aware of while serving people

576
00:48:04,53 --> 00:48:10,26
and so on on top of that I'm constantly
retraining my staff as we find new fake

577
00:48:10,27 --> 00:48:14,41
I.D.'s or new ways where people
are you know trying to it is

578
00:48:14,42 --> 00:48:16,93
a college town and the kids
they try to do it it's always

579
00:48:16,94 --> 00:48:21,43
a game of cat and mouse there's always new
fake I.D.'s coming up always new ways

580
00:48:21,61 --> 00:48:27,88
are idea very few cation system is advanced
ID verification system I believe it is

581
00:48:27,89 --> 00:48:32,13
also used by law enforcement agencies in
addition to that we have added cameras to

582
00:48:32,14 --> 00:48:36,68
this stablish meant we have high grade
military communication equipment to make

583
00:48:36,69 --> 00:48:37,72
sure that we provide

584
00:48:37,73 --> 00:48:42,95
a safe and secure environment at all times
and reconstitute we constantly working

585
00:48:43,59 --> 00:48:50,33
to improve safety and security thank you
very much and the questions or comments

586
00:48:50,34 --> 00:48:55,64
from the select point. All right and I'm
going to go to the public for comment and

587
00:48:55,64 --> 00:48:58,18
. You're going to need to
come to the microphone.

588
00:49:06,71 --> 00:49:12,89
Yes. I really have to say I love the name
of the term monkey bar the name of your

589
00:49:12,90 --> 00:49:19,44
bar is very funny but I would like
to know what is the significance of

590
00:49:19,45 --> 00:49:26,40
a limited liability company being in the
position of being responsible for people

591
00:49:26,41 --> 00:49:30,79
drinking alcohol and possibly taking
pharmaceuticals at the same time

592
00:49:34,48 --> 00:49:41,15
Mr Reed thank you. Thank you.

593
00:49:42,27 --> 00:49:45,56
And I will see will have the same
it was on my advice that we formed

594
00:49:45,57 --> 00:49:50,48
a business and also you know have
the same liability as if it were

595
00:49:50,49 --> 00:49:56,02
a person in what that means is that
whatever the business owns if there is some

596
00:49:56,03 --> 00:49:57,34
infraction and

597
00:49:57,38 --> 00:50:03,28
a lawsuit is brought then. The assets of
that limited liability company could be

598
00:50:03,29 --> 00:50:10,19
accessed by whatever settlement or
charge came about by the incident so it

599
00:50:10,20 --> 00:50:10,67
also gives

600
00:50:10,68 --> 00:50:16,87
a little bit of ownership structure so it's
not individually owned by just Ross if

601
00:50:16,88 --> 00:50:20,54
but also he and his brother so they're
able to share some of the cost and

602
00:50:20,55 --> 00:50:25,66
responsibility or I'm sorry we're not going
back and forth on this so thank you for

603
00:50:25,67 --> 00:50:29,100
your answer thank you OK Other members
of the public wishing to comment or ask

604
00:50:30,01 --> 00:50:36,02
questions. All right back to us like Board
questions or comments before we close

605
00:50:36,03 --> 00:50:40,60
the public hearing. All right before we
close the public hearing then I will just

606
00:50:40,61 --> 00:50:45,01
note again the situation and the same
statement that I made to the previous

607
00:50:45,02 --> 00:50:49,48
applicant that there are going to be increased
conversations among the town in the

608
00:50:49,49 --> 00:50:53,29
business community in the university and
students and everyone about how we can all

609
00:50:53,30 --> 00:50:59,79
be part of the solution rather than part
of the problem here and so. The degree to

610
00:50:59,80 --> 00:51:04,14
which this event was promoted this past
weekend I hope that we're all going to be

611
00:51:04,15 --> 00:51:08,79
looking to find ways that it is anti promoted
in the future and some of those ways

612
00:51:08,80 --> 00:51:13,29
you've you've heard perhaps suggestions
that are all the way to the extreme of

613
00:51:14,11 --> 00:51:17,12
closing businesses for forty eight
hours so there are going to be

614
00:51:17,13 --> 00:51:20,21
a lot of conversations about this and I
just kind of want to make sure that you

615
00:51:20,22 --> 00:51:20,47
have

616
00:51:20,79 --> 00:51:24,93
a heads up about that so you can be
thinking constructively about what kind of

617
00:51:24,94 --> 00:51:31,86
a helpful role your business can play in
that because the health and vitality of

618
00:51:31,87 --> 00:51:38,13
the downtown business community really is
in all of our best interests so Mr want

619
00:51:38,83 --> 00:51:39,14
to let

620
00:51:39,15 --> 00:51:43,25
a comment certainly yeah I just want to
say before we began this meeting you know

621
00:51:43,26 --> 00:51:47,39
looking at the agenda it occurred to me
that it was either ironic or terribly

622
00:51:47,87 --> 00:51:51,49
regrettable that we were beginning meeting
that would deal with the body blow out

623
00:51:51,53 --> 00:51:54,98
with all these liquor licenses but
I think actually it's are in is

624
00:51:54,99 --> 00:51:58,81
a good thing but I think actually it's
for two of us because it's magic ational

625
00:51:58,82 --> 00:52:02,42
opportunity and so I'm glad we have the
opportunity to ask you these questions and

626
00:52:02,43 --> 00:52:05,33
hear from you and I'm particularly
pleased in this case to hear such

627
00:52:05,34 --> 00:52:08,24
a heartfelt commitment from
the new owner and to hear

628
00:52:08,25 --> 00:52:13,31
a thorough explanation of procedures for
monitoring both safety and legality in the

629
00:52:13,32 --> 00:52:17,18
sense of fake I.D.'s and so forth and seeing
Hampshire College graduates working in

630
00:52:17,19 --> 00:52:21,96
Thomas also noticed. All right any other
questions or comments before we close the

631
00:52:21,97 --> 00:52:27,10
public hearing anything you'd like to add
before it closed down all right then I

632
00:52:27,11 --> 00:52:27,63
will entertain

633
00:52:27,64 --> 00:52:32,62
a motion to close the public hearing at
seven twenty two pm so move thank you for

634
00:52:32,63 --> 00:52:36,97
the discussion including the public hearing
favor say aye right and that's you know

635
00:52:36,98 --> 00:52:42,07
Animas hearing is closed deliberation on
this application to transfer the license

636
00:52:42,08 --> 00:52:47,62
of Monkey Bar I think some folks have more
or less indicated that they're pleased

637
00:52:47,63 --> 00:52:52,14
with the the preparation and the
philosophies expressed there's

638
00:52:52,28 --> 00:52:54,00
a great understanding about service in

639
00:52:54,01 --> 00:52:59,79
a college town and the chief of police
recommends this for our approval and no one

640
00:52:59,80 --> 00:53:03,54
else want to add anything to that
I was just going to say that was

641
00:53:03,55 --> 00:53:09,16
a particularly reassuring thing for
me because like Alyssa I did have

642
00:53:09,75 --> 00:53:14,03
a little ambivalence of that's nice thank
you very much and I think the owner was

643
00:53:14,04 --> 00:53:20,94
very reassuring to thank you all right then
without further ado OK I move that the

644
00:53:20,94 --> 00:53:26,49
slick board approved the application of
the Stroh's sixty three Monkey Bar L L C

645
00:53:26,79 --> 00:53:30,11
sixty one a main street Amherst D.M.A.

646
00:53:30,37 --> 00:53:36,86
For transfer of an on premise Well
alcohol restaurant annual liquor license

647
00:53:37,16 --> 00:53:38,26
and G.L.

648
00:53:38,48 --> 00:53:43,31
Chapter one thirty eight Section twelve
currently held by Monkey Business

649
00:53:43,32 --> 00:53:49,80
incorporated sixty three dash sixty seven
North pleasant street address Demi The

650
00:53:49,82 --> 00:53:53,02
premise is described as consisting of

651
00:53:53,02 --> 00:53:58,52
a two story brick building with the front
entrance on North Pleasant Street offices

652
00:53:58,54 --> 00:54:05,13
on the second floor and restaurant bar
dining and conference and pool room located

653
00:54:05,15 --> 00:54:09,88
on the first floor with deck in the rear
of the building for seasonal dining

654
00:54:10,12 --> 00:54:17,02
storage area located in basement.
Refuge manager. Second

655
00:54:17,51 --> 00:54:22,57
through the discussion. Favor say aye aye
aye aye aye aye that's unanimous thank

656
00:54:22,58 --> 00:54:28,21
you congratulations and good luck with your
business thank you all right next up we

657
00:54:28,22 --> 00:54:30,43
have an application for

658
00:54:31,17 --> 00:54:37,72
a new premise wine and malt. License
for all things local cooperate

659
00:54:37,73 --> 00:54:40,84
market so those folks could come forward.

660
00:54:50,75 --> 00:54:55,39
All right so the all things local public
hearing is called to order at seven twenty

661
00:54:55,40 --> 00:55:02,33
five PM and welcome we know Mr Reedy
and. With me this evening is Mr

662
00:55:02,41 --> 00:55:02,60
L.

663
00:55:02,61 --> 00:55:09,05
Sachs who is the general manager of all
things local cooperative market. Because this

664
00:55:09,06 --> 00:55:09,38
is

665
00:55:09,39 --> 00:55:15,80
a new premises why demote license we had to
notify all the voters and so Madam Chairwoman

666
00:55:15,81 --> 00:55:22,71
I've got the. The notice the
affidavit associated with it and the

667
00:55:22,72 --> 00:55:25,57
letters that were sent to all the
butter's if I may yes please

668
00:55:36,05 --> 00:55:39,08
so again I'd like to go through the
technical requirements of what we've got in

669
00:55:39,09 --> 00:55:42,32
this license and then turn it
over to Mr Sacks to tell you

670
00:55:42,33 --> 00:55:46,67
a little bit about himself in the operation
that he primarily is running over at

671
00:55:46,68 --> 00:55:49,38
all things local that's located
at one hundred four one

672
00:55:49,39 --> 00:55:54,16
o six North pleasant street and I'll mention
the hyphen because they're doing so

673
00:55:54,17 --> 00:55:58,68
well that they're expanding actually.
It is the old Super Bowl space for

674
00:55:58,69 --> 00:56:03,17
a frame of reference and they're actually
taking over half of food for thought

675
00:56:03,28 --> 00:56:05,92
books and you have I believe

676
00:56:05,93 --> 00:56:12,44
a floor plan in your package so you'll be
able to see the internal layout. So this

677
00:56:13,14 --> 00:56:14,37
entity is

678
00:56:14,38 --> 00:56:17,97
a mercantile cooperative under the laws
of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts it's

679
00:56:18,06 --> 00:56:23,40
made up of members but because of its
unique structure I've had some lengthy

680
00:56:23,41 --> 00:56:26,76
discussions with Mr Ralph Sacramone the
executive director of the alcoholic

681
00:56:26,77 --> 00:56:30,67
beverages Control Commission here in the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts and what

682
00:56:30,68 --> 00:56:35,44
they do in instances like this because
technically the members are the owners but

683
00:56:35,45 --> 00:56:37,06
because there's such

684
00:56:37,07 --> 00:56:40,70
a turnover either hopefully people which
is coming on and not going off the rolls.

685
00:56:42,32 --> 00:56:45,13
As a practical matter to
actually resubmit every time

686
00:56:45,14 --> 00:56:50,67
a new member joins or left would be
administratively infeasible So what we do

687
00:56:50,68 --> 00:56:54,61
instead is have the board of directors
because they've got the operational and

688
00:56:54,62 --> 00:56:59,11
decision making control put their name
on this license so you'll find that the

689
00:56:59,12 --> 00:57:03,80
Section ten interests are the members of
the board of directors and so what will

690
00:57:03,81 --> 00:57:08,46
happen is that annually should the board
grant the license we would update the

691
00:57:08,47 --> 00:57:11,93
membership rolls we would provide it to
the town and provide it to the A.B.C.

692
00:57:11,94 --> 00:57:17,85
See around January first and any time the
any member of the Board of Directors was

693
00:57:18,36 --> 00:57:18,52
there's

694
00:57:18,53 --> 00:57:24,59
a lections I believe this fall so at that
time what will be doing if any of the

695
00:57:24,60 --> 00:57:29,33
board of directors change we would be back
before you. Because we would essentially

696
00:57:29,34 --> 00:57:31,65
be changing the shareholder
is how the A.B.C.

697
00:57:31,66 --> 00:57:33,13
Is looking at it so it's a little bit of

698
00:57:33,14 --> 00:57:38,31
a unique circumstance but ultimately the
buck stops with the board of directors.

699
00:57:41,12 --> 00:57:44,15
They meet all of their requirements I'll
make the representation to you it's

700
00:57:44,16 --> 00:57:48,32
Exhibit one in your package if you'd like
to look it will provide the personal

701
00:57:48,33 --> 00:57:49,29
information form

702
00:57:49,81 --> 00:57:54,14
a poor request form no financial or beneficial
interest in any other liquor license

703
00:57:54,15 --> 00:57:55,72
in town have not been convicted of

704
00:57:55,73 --> 00:57:59,51
a felony or not caught in the residence
of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and

705
00:57:59,52 --> 00:58:05,43
citizens of the United States so they meet
all of those licensing criteria. As far

706
00:58:05,44 --> 00:58:08,90
as the premises goes you can
see from your floor plan it's

707
00:58:08,91 --> 00:58:12,55
a three thousand six hundred eighty five
approximately square foot space at one

708
00:58:12,56 --> 00:58:16,64
hundred four one hundred six North Pleasant
Street four entrances for exits under

709
00:58:16,65 --> 00:58:21,18
a five year lease with one time option
to renew though if you're familiar with

710
00:58:21,19 --> 00:58:23,04
leases that can always take on

711
00:58:23,05 --> 00:58:26,36
a life of its own and there could be many
renewals of the business is successful.

712
00:58:28,21 --> 00:58:32,36
Mr Sachs is a US citizen he's
over the age of twenty one and

713
00:58:32,47 --> 00:58:38,40
a resident of Amherst you've got his
resume at the back of the license I would

714
00:58:38,48 --> 00:58:44,45
suggest you look at it it's impressive. He
has extensive management experience he's

715
00:58:44,62 --> 00:58:49,56
been part of Cushman market along with
others he is tipped certified and so

716
00:58:49,60 --> 00:58:52,56
a little bit more about the structure
of the entity is that there's only

717
00:58:52,56 --> 00:58:57,31
a few actual employees and those employees
will be tipped certified they will be

718
00:58:57,31 --> 00:59:02,13
the ones selling their volunteers up
participate to help stock the shelves and.

719
00:59:03,50 --> 00:59:09,05
Work at the co-op but only those who are
actually employees will be the ones

720
00:59:09,88 --> 00:59:13,81
selling the alcohol and they will be tipped
certified so they'll be knowledgeable

721
00:59:13,82 --> 00:59:19,88
about. The type of idea and now I'll turn
it over to Al so you can understand what

722
00:59:19,97 --> 00:59:25,99
they're looking to do with the co-op. Well
as our well first of all thank you for

723
00:59:26,16 --> 00:59:30,93
having us here tonight but as our name
implies we are all things local meaning that

724
00:59:30,94 --> 00:59:36,88
we are looking to make sure that our
cooperative is stocked with products that are

725
00:59:36,89 --> 00:59:43,69
made by our members and are made are
produced are grown within this area within

726
00:59:43,70 --> 00:59:48,03
a hundred miles radius is our outside limit
most of everything we have in the store

727
00:59:48,23 --> 00:59:49,04
comes with more like

728
00:59:49,05 --> 00:59:54,58
a thirty mile radius so as we were developing
the call up one of the things that

729
00:59:54,59 --> 00:59:56,04
came up was that we have

730
00:59:56,05 --> 01:00:01,23
a lot of agricultural producers who are
now doing on farm wineries meter reads

731
01:00:01,81 --> 01:00:08,24
cider producers and the suggestion was
let's see if we can add that to our mix to

732
01:00:08,79 --> 01:00:11,82
also make sure that the consumer has

733
01:00:11,86 --> 01:00:18,68
a. Easy access to the variety
of different products that

734
01:00:18,84 --> 01:00:25,26
do come from our local farms
and producers So we're we

735
01:00:25,80 --> 01:00:30,67
if if we are granted the license we are
going to be looking to be supporting our

736
01:00:31,31 --> 01:00:38,28
our local small producers out there
through the through our our our

737
01:00:38,32 --> 01:00:43,31
program. We are expanding
our store and that's

738
01:00:43,32 --> 01:00:49,15
a good thing and it partly is because even
with that expansion we're going to have

739
01:00:49,95 --> 01:00:53,52
a fairly tight small footprint compared to

740
01:00:53,53 --> 01:00:58,37
a larger grocery store like victory or any
of the other past incarnations of stores

741
01:00:58,38 --> 01:01:03,29
we have downtown we do want to have wine
and beer and meat inside or other type of

742
01:01:03,82 --> 01:01:06,18
those types of products
they will not take up

743
01:01:06,22 --> 01:01:11,14
a large amount of the store because they
need to make sure there's plenty of room

744
01:01:11,15 --> 01:01:15,19
for vegetables and meats and other other
things like that and we're going to be

745
01:01:15,20 --> 01:01:16,78
taking our crew those I know

746
01:01:16,79 --> 01:01:20,60
a number of you have been in in the
co-op you've noticed that there are

747
01:01:20,76 --> 01:01:26,65
a mixture of crafts and food products the
craft will be moving into the new new

748
01:01:26,66 --> 01:01:32,73
part of the of the store and the cafe seating
will be moving over into that section

749
01:01:33,27 --> 01:01:38,77
so we can make sure that we have more room
for food products we're looking to place

750
01:01:39,00 --> 01:01:45,72
the alcohol. That hopefully we're
able to sell there at the in near the

751
01:01:45,73 --> 01:01:51,87
back counter which has
probably the best. Eyes on

752
01:01:52,79 --> 01:01:59,58
that area all the time so. We I
have I helped push for market get

753
01:01:59,62 --> 01:02:05,00
up and going I was here for that one and
beer license application help fill out

754
01:02:05,01 --> 01:02:09,99
that form I've worked with Ryan
Casey's and Greenfield for

755
01:02:10,03 --> 01:02:12,95
a number of years. With them to being

756
01:02:12,96 --> 01:02:19,48
a demonstrator and I am
to certified well aware

757
01:02:19,52 --> 01:02:25,55
of the importance of making
sure that we are real clear

758
01:02:26,05 --> 01:02:31,75
and feel very fine about not serving people
who we don't think should be served no

759
01:02:31,76 --> 01:02:36,49
matter where there's an age or
condition type of issue it's again.

760
01:02:38,71 --> 01:02:44,70
It's not not somebodies right to be able
to buy all from me if we have that. It's

761
01:02:44,71 --> 01:02:50,76
our right to determine what's what's
going to be acceptable or not. So.

762
01:02:52,89 --> 01:02:54,54
We're open as you know six days

763
01:02:54,55 --> 01:03:00,27
a week from ten o'clock until seven o'clock
on weekdays and from ten o'clock until

764
01:03:00,28 --> 01:03:07,27
five o'clock on the weekends
and. I think that's I

765
01:03:07,28 --> 01:03:13,78
think those are the main points I wanted
to hit on open to questions. The storage

766
01:03:13,79 --> 01:03:20,17
will be if you if you look at the floor
plan that you've got in front of you. It

767
01:03:20,18 --> 01:03:25,61
will be in the rear of the premises titled
It's S T O R on the plan that you've got

768
01:03:25,90 --> 01:03:30,31
that's where the alcohol
will be kept and even though

769
01:03:31,14 --> 01:03:35,46
a lot of takes things on consignment they
will in fact purchase the alcohol because

770
01:03:35,47 --> 01:03:39,66
they have to have the ownership in control
of it the board of directors. Needs to

771
01:03:39,67 --> 01:03:42,24
do that and we're only going to buy from

772
01:03:42,28 --> 01:03:48,80
a licensed farmer wineries pub everybody
that has gone through the A.B.C.

773
01:03:49,08 --> 01:03:55,44
Process again something just to
make sure we're. Above the tide.

774
01:03:57,28 --> 01:04:01,83
Thank you very much so I just want to note
that I am very close personal friends

775
01:04:01,84 --> 01:04:04,85
with one of the directors of the market
John Tibbets I don't think that has any

776
01:04:04,86 --> 01:04:11,39
effect on my neutrality in this decision
making but I did want to state that. And I

777
01:04:11,45 --> 01:04:16,26
wanted to appreciate very much what you
said about the only employees doing the

778
01:04:16,27 --> 01:04:22,17
sales so I was actually very concerned
coming into this thinking about the ever

779
01:04:22,18 --> 01:04:26,76
changing kind of volunteer structure of
the cashier SALES How how you would keep

780
01:04:26,77 --> 01:04:30,59
those people trained and how they really
have nothing at stake so I think that the

781
01:04:30,60 --> 01:04:35,59
fact that you're limiting the sales only
to folks who who are the employees is

782
01:04:35,94 --> 01:04:39,99
terrific and that takes care of my concerns
and I also appreciate the point you

783
01:04:40,00 --> 01:04:44,80
just made about only buying from folks
who are licensed through the A.B.C.

784
01:04:44,81 --> 01:04:49,18
So this isn't sort of very casual you know
home brewers or anything like this this

785
01:04:49,19 --> 01:04:51,36
is ALL THINGS local But you know at

786
01:04:51,37 --> 01:04:55,62
a professional level so OK thank you other
questions or comments from the select

787
01:04:55,63 --> 01:04:59,30
board mystery and just thank you for those
clarification there was one other one

788
01:04:59,31 --> 01:05:03,91
that I was looking for and that is this
is all coming from producers within

789
01:05:03,92 --> 01:05:08,51
a hundred miles absolutely that they
all call as well as seven Absolutely

790
01:05:08,56 --> 01:05:14,06
absolutely it's going to you know I think
that we will have plenty of opportunities

791
01:05:14,07 --> 01:05:18,82
within this recount area to
stock the shelves plentifully

792
01:05:20,76 --> 01:05:27,52
questions comments. Although his resume
actually didn't make it into our copious

793
01:05:27,53 --> 01:05:31,89
packet we are in fact familiar with Mr
Sikes from having come for us before and

794
01:05:31,90 --> 01:05:36,52
other iterations as well so thank you for
that and for more of that history and I

795
01:05:36,53 --> 01:05:40,52
also appreciate that because it had not
appeared on the floor plan where you were

796
01:05:40,53 --> 01:05:43,92
envisioning keeping the alcohol because
that is important to us in terms of

797
01:05:44,76 --> 01:05:48,20
appreciating that you understand it from
your work with caution and market and

798
01:05:48,21 --> 01:05:51,41
therefore how that translates to the space
that you now have particularly the new

799
01:05:51,42 --> 01:05:55,57
expanded space and the eyes on aspects
of thank you for addressing that with us

800
01:05:55,58 --> 01:06:00,45
because that's important to us. Other
questions or comments all right and I'm going

801
01:06:00,46 --> 01:06:05,66
to open it up to the public for questions
or comments about this application and.

802
01:06:07,02 --> 01:06:11,38
All right seeing none anything you'd like
to add before we move to close the public

803
01:06:11,39 --> 01:06:15,44
hearing OK for the question of comments
from Slackware before we close but with

804
01:06:15,45 --> 01:06:16,93
your. Take

805
01:06:16,94 --> 01:06:22,41
a motion to close public airing at seven
thirty six pm. So I can for the discussion

806
01:06:22,42 --> 01:06:27,05
on closing the public hearing on favor say
aye aye aye aye aye aye that's unanimous

807
01:06:27,06 --> 01:06:33,49
closed at seven thirty six pm deliberation
by this like Board anyone. Sort of

808
01:06:33,50 --> 01:06:38,35
nodding pleasantly Mr Rogers I just wanted
to to say that when we first saw this

809
01:06:38,36 --> 01:06:41,14
the sap location when it was only food as

810
01:06:41,15 --> 01:06:46,77
a very exciting. Project in town and I'm
glad to see it thriving and doing well I

811
01:06:46,78 --> 01:06:47,23
take this is

812
01:06:47,24 --> 01:06:53,27
a good sign thank you the questions are
coming all right so you've heard my.

813
01:06:54,72 --> 01:06:56,30
Speech already a couple of times you're in

814
01:06:56,31 --> 01:07:00,94
a somewhat different category than some of
these other places but but obviously you

815
01:07:00,95 --> 01:07:03,95
don't want to be the weak link in the
chain you don't want to be the place that

816
01:07:03,96 --> 01:07:10,66
it's actually easy to score alcohol
downtown even if it is find need. So

817
01:07:10,67 --> 01:07:16,79
I I recognize that you understand and take
seriously that the town's commitment to

818
01:07:16,80 --> 01:07:22,13
this and your experience with the question
mark it is appreciated by all of us as

819
01:07:22,14 --> 01:07:29,10
well as what you have presented
here so anything else mistime. I

820
01:07:29,11 --> 01:07:33,64
move that the sled board approved the
application of all things local cooperative

821
01:07:33,65 --> 01:07:40,30
market incorporated one zero four two one
zero six North Pleasant Street Amherst

822
01:07:40,31 --> 01:07:43,34
Demi for an off premise Y.

823
01:07:43,38 --> 01:07:45,25
And mall packed store and you

824
01:07:45,26 --> 01:07:52,13
a liquor license M G O chapter one thirty
eight Section fifteen The premise is

825
01:07:52,14 --> 01:07:57,51
described as three thousand six hundred
eighty five square feet of space on the

826
01:07:57,52 --> 01:08:03,52
first level of one zero for the war No six
in the workplace and street containing

827
01:08:03,53 --> 01:08:08,19
four means of entrance and a gross Alan C.

828
01:08:08,23 --> 01:08:14,81
Stacks manager second for the discussion
I'll just note that you're lucky because

829
01:08:14,82 --> 01:08:18,92
the last two applications for this license
that have come before us we rejected

830
01:08:19,00 --> 01:08:25,89
which were for gas station mini marts you'll
recall. Right now discussion on favor

831
01:08:25,90 --> 01:08:30,98
say aye aye that's unanimous congratulate
you very much when do you plan on

832
01:08:30,99 --> 01:08:36,28
starting liquor sales Well we have to you
know send it on to the state and when

833
01:08:36,32 --> 01:08:39,87
when they get I don't know how long that
will take but I'm assuming it will take at

834
01:08:39,88 --> 01:08:40,13
least

835
01:08:40,14 --> 01:08:46,51
a month so I'm hoping that by late spring
early June some of that sort will be able

836
01:08:46,52 --> 01:08:50,63
to start stocking the shelves are going
thank you thank you for coming in and good

837
01:08:50,64 --> 01:08:57,59
luck with that kid and how we are up to so
awkward position on special town meeting

838
01:08:57,63 --> 01:09:04,43
warrant articles on minimum wage so folks
at home following along in our packets.

839
01:09:04,91 --> 01:09:11,82
You know that first of all at our
last meeting we identified. Wednesday

840
01:09:11,83 --> 01:09:13,05
March nineteenth as

841
01:09:13,06 --> 01:09:18,32
a date for the special town meeting that
has been called by citizen petition if

842
01:09:18,33 --> 01:09:23,74
a citizen. Gathers two hundred signatures
that are verified by the town clerk's

843
01:09:23,75 --> 01:09:24,78
office requesting

844
01:09:24,79 --> 01:09:29,13
a town meeting to be called the task of
the select board is obligated to do so

845
01:09:29,34 --> 01:09:35,55
those conditions were met and hence we
have this town meeting on Wednesday the

846
01:09:35,56 --> 01:09:39,29
petition that is the article is asking for

847
01:09:39,30 --> 01:09:45,28
a special act from the state legislature
to allow Amherst to establish its own

848
01:09:45,32 --> 01:09:52,11
minimum wage which would be fifteen
dollars an hour and to apply to all

849
01:09:52,12 --> 01:09:59,12
employers in the town of Amherst. The
petitioner the lead petitioner is not with us

850
01:09:59,13 --> 01:10:05,45
this evening we got an e-mail from him
in the late afternoon saying that he was

851
01:10:05,49 --> 01:10:10,04
unable to make this
meeting he did indicate

852
01:10:10,08 --> 01:10:15,33
a couple of things one that he plans to
offer an exemption for businesses that are

853
01:10:15,55 --> 01:10:22,17
fewer than fifty employees and that
he is open to compromising on the

854
01:10:22,21 --> 01:10:27,100
exact figure that the minimum wage would
be so he set fifteen as an upper limit as

855
01:10:28,01 --> 01:10:31,88
we know from town meeting you can't go
beyond the scope of the article so you can

856
01:10:31,89 --> 01:10:36,55
ever make something stricter than what the
article is so he has started at fifteen

857
01:10:36,56 --> 01:10:41,76
and is willing to discuss it downward
from there folks who are following our

858
01:10:41,77 --> 01:10:47,06
package information will see that we have
received comment from both the business

859
01:10:47,07 --> 01:10:52,79
improvement district as well as the
Chamber of Commerce. And I I won't.

860
01:10:54,16 --> 01:11:00,15
Characterize that comment now because I
know folks are here to speak to that. But

861
01:11:00,16 --> 01:11:04,97
that's kind of where we are so since the
petitioner is not here is there anybody

862
01:11:04,98 --> 01:11:10,97
else here who would be who would be
representing the petitioners interests. OK So

863
01:11:10,98 --> 01:11:16,04
we're operating without that just so we're
clear Mr question I wanted to just add

864
01:11:16,05 --> 01:11:20,92
if I could because as thank you for laying
out the process that got us to this

865
01:11:20,96 --> 01:11:25,51
point and as you indicated we had information
our packet from the chamber and from

866
01:11:25,52 --> 01:11:31,21
the business improvement district and also
a memo from France director and we got

867
01:11:31,22 --> 01:11:34,95
a bunch more information this afternoon
which you also alluded to associated with

868
01:11:34,96 --> 01:11:39,68
that e-mail and so some of this isn't yet
uploaded to the packet so just I was just

869
01:11:39,69 --> 01:11:43,86
going to mention whenever you thought would
be the right time to mention that we

870
01:11:43,87 --> 01:11:47,56
got even more stuff that we haven't even
read yet that we have had no opportunity

871
01:11:47,57 --> 01:11:54,47
to read that is all brand new to us which
given that this guy hadn't grabbed one

872
01:11:54,48 --> 01:12:00,26
is the e-mail from the petitioner timed at
three forty seven this afternoon talking

873
01:12:00,30 --> 01:12:06,72
about the. You know. Possible compromise

874
01:12:07,14 --> 01:12:11,89
issue this is the first we let me back up
from it we have received no information

875
01:12:11,90 --> 01:12:16,45
from the petitioner other than the warrant
until today this body did not receive

876
01:12:16,49 --> 01:12:19,90
anything from the petitioner regarding the
petition article other than the warrant

877
01:12:19,91 --> 01:12:23,81
itself until today so we have this e-mail
that we haven't read yet that we got this

878
01:12:23,82 --> 01:12:29,99
afternoon we also have the petitioner did
speak to the Finance Committee last week

879
01:12:30,45 --> 01:12:34,94
and we have now fresh off the press the
softer noon before you know it we could

880
01:12:34,95 --> 01:12:39,70
possibly read it the Finance Committee
report which I believe T.M.C.

881
01:12:39,71 --> 01:12:43,05
Has in fact already distributed to current
Tommy members which is great you know

882
01:12:43,06 --> 01:12:47,52
meeting able to get that out but this is
the first We're seeing it and the Finance

883
01:12:47,53 --> 01:12:54,18
Committee chair also mentioned that. The
finance director had mentioned that there

884
01:12:54,19 --> 01:12:55,10
was available

885
01:12:55,14 --> 01:13:00,21
a list of employers in Amherst by size
and so quickly this afternoon during our

886
01:13:00,22 --> 01:13:06,07
reception we had its manager to run off
and go get that for us so that's in our

887
01:13:06,08 --> 01:13:12,98
packet as well and again so thanks to our
finance manager. Director and also to

888
01:13:13,26 --> 01:13:17,52
Deborah pup all in the top managers office
to again drop everything and go print

889
01:13:17,59 --> 01:13:22,94
additional information so it's still coming
in basically as we're working here so

890
01:13:22,95 --> 01:13:25,73
that's why you don't see everything in the
packet of course it'll all be uploaded

891
01:13:25,74 --> 01:13:32,71
tomorrow OK So thank you for
that. So the as Mr Brewer

892
01:13:32,72 --> 01:13:39,58
indicated our. Our areas of comment
received so far primarily about the town

893
01:13:39,59 --> 01:13:44,93
what the what the impacts would be of such
an increase on the town and as well as

894
01:13:44,94 --> 01:13:50,83
what they would be to the business community
so I will start with Mr talking about

895
01:13:50,84 --> 01:13:57,37
the impacts to the town. Sure and I would
refer you to the memo in your packet from

896
01:13:57,37 --> 01:14:03,24
. Saying people are into
Bradway. Summarizing.

897
01:14:05,31 --> 01:14:11,55
Numbers of employees potentially impacted
and the estimated dollar amount. Nearly

898
01:14:11,56 --> 01:14:17,10
doubling the minimum wage from eight dollars
to fifteen dollars. And so the memo

899
01:14:17,11 --> 01:14:24,11
summarizes. That we have on
the just on the municipal

900
01:14:24,12 --> 01:14:25,02
part of the budget

901
01:14:26,02 --> 01:14:30,12
a little over two hundred employees earning
less than fifteen dollars an hour now.

902
01:14:31,86 --> 01:14:36,46
More than half of those are what you
might consider seasonal or programatic

903
01:14:36,47 --> 01:14:42,59
employees and Elyssa see. And elsewhere.

904
01:14:44,27 --> 01:14:51,03
The estimated dollar impact
on the town. Budget. Is.

905
01:14:52,71 --> 01:14:59,66
Estimated. At about two hundred
twenty thousand dollars. Compared to

906
01:14:59,67 --> 01:15:06,07
current wages. Staff also prepared
estimates for the library

907
01:15:07,00 --> 01:15:13,42
for their primarily their part time non
benefit employees shell verbs and positions

908
01:15:13,43 --> 01:15:19,67
like that the estimate from the library is
about forty five thousand and we've also

909
01:15:19,68 --> 01:15:22,98
received an estimate from
the school department.

910
01:15:28,18 --> 01:15:33,33
And I'm looking for
that number. Thank you.

911
01:15:36,52 --> 01:15:38,36
But one hundred sixty three thousand

912
01:15:43,99 --> 01:15:49,87
six about sixty two thousand
in our schools. So it's it's

913
01:15:49,88 --> 01:15:53,49
a very significant impact and would be

914
01:15:53,50 --> 01:16:00,35
a very significant impact all at once
Thank you all right so now what do the

915
01:16:00,36 --> 01:16:02,06
business community and
other folks we've got

916
01:16:02,07 --> 01:16:08,80
a comment from please come forward
with temptin. Bergdahl open this up to

917
01:16:08,86 --> 01:16:15,81
public comment at some point.
I'm just Kempton currently the

918
01:16:15,85 --> 01:16:21,69
acting director of the Amherst Area Chamber
of Commerce. And I'm here to urge you

919
01:16:21,70 --> 01:16:26,24
on behalf of the business community to not
recommend this article at the special

920
01:16:26,25 --> 01:16:28,20
town meeting there is

921
01:16:28,21 --> 01:16:34,75
a statement I believe that is posted. On
the Amherst tahn website reading from

922
01:16:34,76 --> 01:16:41,71
a just briefly. The passage of
this warrant article would create

923
01:16:41,72 --> 01:16:44,27
a catastrophic effect for the community as

924
01:16:44,28 --> 01:16:49,73
a whole we just heard about what it
would mean to the town by forcing local

925
01:16:49,74 --> 01:16:55,05
businesses to move to other towns file
bankruptcy cut jobs and or increase their

926
01:16:55,06 --> 01:17:01,86
sales prices exponentially above the regional
market that would render our amorous

927
01:17:01,87 --> 01:17:08,09
businesses unable to compete with
every other town in the Commonwealth

928
01:17:09,08 --> 01:17:14,93
we believe that issues of minimum wage
belong decisions about that belong at the

929
01:17:14,94 --> 01:17:21,93
state and federal level so that when
they raise the minimum wage and we

930
01:17:21,94 --> 01:17:26,98
are not opposed to raising the minimum wage
we just feel that that should be raised

931
01:17:26,99 --> 01:17:31,71
across the board rather
than creating an island of.

932
01:17:33,88 --> 01:17:40,50
Law inability to really compete.
On that level so we would

933
01:17:40,54 --> 01:17:47,39
urge you to not recommend this article
to town meeting Thank you very

934
01:17:47,40 --> 01:17:52,09
much question or comments from is tempting
while she's here OK thanks for the very

935
01:17:52,10 --> 01:17:56,61
detailed information I was provided for
by folks from the bed here like to

936
01:17:56,93 --> 01:18:02,00
represent their position. Well OK so we did
also receive communication from the bid

937
01:18:02,01 --> 01:18:07,31
and similarly they are not recommending
this article before I go to just the

938
01:18:07,50 --> 01:18:10,62
general public I want to frame this

939
01:18:10,63 --> 01:18:16,03
a little bit more as Mr Hempton alluded
to the state legislature is already

940
01:18:16,04 --> 01:18:22,87
considering an increase to the minimum
wage. And that is expected to

941
01:18:22,88 --> 01:18:28,89
be enacted very soon and there they're
most likely outcome would be to phase this

942
01:18:28,90 --> 01:18:35,39
in over time. So so that is
kind of the background to the

943
01:18:35,40 --> 01:18:42,19
situation. Personally I'd say this
kind of comes down to to to two

944
01:18:42,25 --> 01:18:49,14
key areas one is the very
specific and concrete increase to

945
01:18:49,19 --> 01:18:54,36
costs for employers but whether they be the
town of Amherst the library the schools

946
01:18:54,40 --> 01:19:01,07
or are many small businesses so clearly
that would vastly increase their wages and

947
01:19:01,08 --> 01:19:07,97
that has many different. Impacts and
outcomes I think that the other important

948
01:19:07,98 --> 01:19:11,53
consideration here is that Amherst has

949
01:19:11,57 --> 01:19:18,49
a long identified economic development
and increasing our tax base as

950
01:19:18,50 --> 01:19:25,35
a key priority and I think the idea that
we would do something that would so

951
01:19:25,36 --> 01:19:32,30
dramatically disadvantage our
commercial tax existing tax base and

952
01:19:32,34 --> 01:19:39,25
the potential for the future is is an even
greater concern than the specific wage

953
01:19:39,29 --> 01:19:45,87
increases the cost of those wage increases
to the employers I think that to

954
01:19:45,91 --> 01:19:46,67
imagine

955
01:19:46,71 --> 01:19:53,06
a long skinny town to do this unilaterally
all by itself really just doesn't make

956
01:19:53,07 --> 01:19:58,52
any sense at all and beyond not making
sense I think that it would really send

957
01:19:58,56 --> 01:20:05,45
a. Chilling message to
our current and future

958
01:20:05,46 --> 01:20:09,67
business community even if you know
sometimes we have this idea of well the

959
01:20:09,68 --> 01:20:13,64
legislature is not going to approve
this so you know we'll just send

960
01:20:13,65 --> 01:20:15,12
a message that this is supporting

961
01:20:15,13 --> 01:20:19,11
a higher minimum wage I don't think that
that's what that message would be I think

962
01:20:19,12 --> 01:20:25,59
that this message would be very
clearly that Amherst is is willing to

963
01:20:26,17 --> 01:20:32,96
destabilize our commercial
viability with. With

964
01:20:33,00 --> 01:20:38,60
unilateral and really radical considerations
and I think that that would just. I

965
01:20:38,61 --> 01:20:38,73
have

966
01:20:38,74 --> 01:20:43,07
a terrible impact so I just want to put that
out there for my colleagues as as really

967
01:20:43,08 --> 01:20:43,40
kind of

968
01:20:43,41 --> 01:20:48,38
a larger context even beyond the immediate
wage impacts to be thinking about this

969
01:20:48,39 --> 01:20:54,04
and so we have no petitioner here to be
representing his opposition to this other

970
01:20:54,05 --> 01:20:57,16
questions or comments from the select board
before we get further comment from the

971
01:20:57,17 --> 01:21:04,15
public. You know public but like

972
01:21:04,16 --> 01:21:08,15
anyone want to go to the public first
OK this burgh please come forward

973
01:21:11,00 --> 01:21:17,86
identify yourself Thank you Helen Berg.
I wouldn't beg to disagree with you

974
01:21:17,88 --> 01:21:24,82
Mrs O'Keefe with all due respect because
even the janitor Donna in the town hall

975
01:21:25,11 --> 01:21:31,29
spends all her money in Amherst I fully
support raising the minimum wage in Amherst

976
01:21:31,29 --> 01:21:37,93
to fifteen dollars I hadn't even known about
this postal it's new to me but I think

977
01:21:37,93 --> 01:21:38,91
it would be great this is

978
01:21:38,93 --> 01:21:45,31
a very well heeled town property taxes are
on par with Newton according to Sandy

979
01:21:45,32 --> 01:21:52,15
Pooler we have. Number one in the
state his transportation budget is

980
01:21:52,17 --> 01:21:57,62
higher than some of the people's income
in our low income housing at the Senior

981
01:21:57,64 --> 01:22:02,15
Center some people living in this town
with an income of less than five thousand

982
01:22:02,17 --> 01:22:03,69
dollars I was

983
01:22:03,69 --> 01:22:08,86
a waitress in this town to Judy's I wonder
if this minimum wage would apply to

984
01:22:08,87 --> 01:22:13,90
waitresses because waitresses have
traditionally only been paid two dollars and

985
01:22:13,90 --> 01:22:20,20
thirty three cents because they'll get
tips. I have been in Montreal's where

986
01:22:20,21 --> 01:22:23,60
waitresses are treated
like normal people and get

987
01:22:23,61 --> 01:22:29,67
a minimum wage and I would hope that
the town would adopt this I think it's

988
01:22:29,68 --> 01:22:36,36
terrific we can set an example for the
state and I guarantee you that the people

989
01:22:36,37 --> 01:22:40,64
that are making this money will spend this
money here and by the way I spent the

990
01:22:40,65 --> 01:22:47,44
morning attempting to assist the small
business owners in the carriage shops who

991
01:22:47,45 --> 01:22:53,30
are being forced off their property
by archipelago investments L.L.C.

992
01:22:54,12 --> 01:22:59,91
And some big wheels in town how unfortunate
let's clean up this town and set

993
01:22:59,92 --> 01:23:03,56
a good example for the state thank you
thank you very much other folks from the

994
01:23:03,57 --> 01:23:09,16
public like to offer comment yes or. And
disclosure for anyone who doesn't know

995
01:23:09,17 --> 01:23:14,87
this after six years this is my father
and let that be on the record right now

996
01:23:14,88 --> 01:23:15,35
a lot O.

997
01:23:15,35 --> 01:23:22,19
. John of recent. Retired
director of the Chamber of

998
01:23:22,20 --> 01:23:23,37
Commerce just

999
01:23:23,38 --> 01:23:29,34
a couple of comments on this first of all
I echo all the sentiment saying that it

1000
01:23:29,35 --> 01:23:32,70
is purely unworkable to do this in

1001
01:23:32,79 --> 01:23:39,28
a single specific time on. The record
keeping the enforcement alone would be

1002
01:23:39,29 --> 01:23:45,52
a nightmare not to mention the impact on
businesses and as far as figures that have

1003
01:23:45,53 --> 01:23:51,60
been presented to us for instance for Mr
Poole or the impact on library school in

1004
01:23:51,61 --> 01:23:58,46
town budgets that is the very
minimum impact because if you

1005
01:23:58,47 --> 01:24:05,40
consider that if I am making fifteen fifteen
an hour and the person who is making

1006
01:24:05,41 --> 01:24:10,81
eight dollars an hour is now making
fifteen dollars I'm going to want to read

1007
01:24:10,82 --> 01:24:17,73
negotiate so it would it would spiral
all for more money more minimum

1008
01:24:17,74 --> 01:24:24,04
wage and acted statewide and or preferably
Fred that really thank you who the

1009
01:24:24,05 --> 01:24:26,56
common. It's just I'm bored.

1010
01:24:34,80 --> 01:24:40,57
I'll be very brief. Time speaking
as chair of the Finance Committee.

1011
01:24:41,92 --> 01:24:48,52
As has been indicated of the Finance
Committee report was finalized today and was

1012
01:24:48,53 --> 01:24:53,05
provided and I'm sorry that we couldn't
get it out sooner we only had our meeting

1013
01:24:53,40 --> 01:24:59,03
with the petitioner and with other
witnesses on Thursday so it was actually

1014
01:24:59,04 --> 01:25:05,27
a very quick turnaround for us. The points
that we emphasized are really points

1015
01:25:05,28 --> 01:25:09,83
that have been previously made so I'm not
going to reiterate them in great detail

1016
01:25:10,68 --> 01:25:16,95
Ms O'Keefe has indicated
that the one issue is the

1017
01:25:17,19 --> 01:25:23,68
effect on town expenses itself we looked
at the expense side of the budget and

1018
01:25:24,28 --> 01:25:31,25
given our. Tax limit situation
there is no way that this could be

1019
01:25:31,26 --> 01:25:32,12
afforded without

1020
01:25:32,13 --> 01:25:37,59
a substantial decrease in programs
and staffing in order to accommodate

1021
01:25:37,60 --> 01:25:44,60
a higher minute minimum wage for the
affected employees The second aspect of

1022
01:25:44,61 --> 01:25:51,48
it is the effect on businesses and the
recognition that one of the things

1023
01:25:51,49 --> 01:25:55,64
that we need to do as does
O'Keefe indicated is build

1024
01:25:55,65 --> 01:26:01,05
a tax base because we've been very fortunate
in recent years that there's been very

1025
01:26:01,06 --> 01:26:07,48
little inflation but we need to be thinking
proactively in order to build the tax

1026
01:26:07,49 --> 01:26:10,57
base for the day when the two and

1027
01:26:10,58 --> 01:26:16,62
a half percent limit is not sufficient to
meet growing costs and that new growth

1028
01:26:16,63 --> 01:26:23,13
factors are important and we need to not
send businesses to Hadley in order to

1029
01:26:24,07 --> 01:26:28,20
encourage new commercial development
and it would actually have

1030
01:26:28,21 --> 01:26:33,66
a second effect that we pointed out in our
report which is that if it drives of the

1031
01:26:33,67 --> 01:26:40,28
cost of to. Business here and goods and
services that are offered by. Businesses

1032
01:26:40,29 --> 01:26:45,25
that stay in town have to increase in
price and they don't have to increase in

1033
01:26:45,26 --> 01:26:52,15
price and Hadlee are consumers and would
go across the town line too so those were

1034
01:26:52,16 --> 01:26:58,98
the major points that we made and I
only saying this now because I realized

1035
01:26:58,99 --> 01:27:05,44
from Ms Brewer that you didn't necessarily
have time to read the report and

1036
01:27:05,45 --> 01:27:09,63
consider what we said so I wanted to make
those comments and thank you thank you

1037
01:27:09,64 --> 01:27:14,75
very much anyone else from the public like
to comment on this issue. All right back

1038
01:27:14,76 --> 01:27:18,62
to select point. And Mr Heene.

1039
01:27:23,09 --> 01:27:29,21
I have to do this extemporaneously so I'm
going to apologize for for confusing

1040
01:27:29,22 --> 01:27:35,63
turns and phrasing like. The the
idea that the minimum raids

1041
01:27:35,80 --> 01:27:40,91
wage needs to be raised is something is
being considered nationally as we all know

1042
01:27:41,18 --> 01:27:47,97
and in the state house for ADD
for Massachusetts. But to

1043
01:27:48,15 --> 01:27:51,87
consider dropping it to eleven dollars
an hour it's it is it is a real it is

1044
01:27:51,88 --> 01:27:56,88
a real concern that. We should share.

1045
01:27:59,21 --> 01:28:05,19
This particular manifestation.
Or this particular

1046
01:28:06,58 --> 01:28:13,56
attempt to deal with it I think.
Would backfire in interesting ways

1047
01:28:13,57 --> 01:28:19,72
and we we've heard about that I I'm not
exactly sure that the town could sustain

1048
01:28:20,11 --> 01:28:25,46
the additional cost for that for those
people and there may be fewer of them and

1049
01:28:25,47 --> 01:28:28,87
that that has another that's another fact
that maybe tertiary effect we talked

1050
01:28:28,88 --> 01:28:34,88
about secondary effects I don't know what
I do know is that it would put Amherst at

1051
01:28:34,89 --> 01:28:41,14
a disadvantage in many ways to local
to two other towns which already are

1052
01:28:41,15 --> 01:28:47,38
actively working to share business with us
I don't know if you've driven down Route

1053
01:28:47,39 --> 01:28:52,84
nine recently in though just another if
stores that might have provided services in

1054
01:28:52,85 --> 01:28:59,63
Amherst that don't. The other the
other thing that I wanted to explore

1055
01:29:00,58 --> 01:29:06,90
is because it's an important. Issue

1056
01:29:08,20 --> 01:29:14,97
I I'm flattered I guess
is the right word that in

1057
01:29:14,98 --> 01:29:21,23
order to to. Campaign for it to
sort of move the discussion along

1058
01:29:21,74 --> 01:29:27,99
that. Our town meeting is
being asked to weigh into it.

1059
01:29:29,31 --> 01:29:33,50
It's an interesting use of town meeting
one that we've seen before actually for

1060
01:29:33,51 --> 01:29:38,28
other issues and most often they
dealt within the normal timeframe.

1061
01:29:40,97 --> 01:29:44,46
I'm very interested in hearing the debate
there I'm sorry that we're going to have

1062
01:29:44,47 --> 01:29:50,61
to bring everybody to another session
and we could have maybe folded in but.

1063
01:29:52,51 --> 01:29:54,44
I think there are

1064
01:29:54,45 --> 01:30:01,24
a number of issues that I would have around
using town meeting this way that I can

1065
01:30:01,25 --> 01:30:06,98
really explore out loud without some more
thought but I wanted to bring that up as

1066
01:30:06,99 --> 01:30:13,71
well thank you very much others like
board comments Mr want. I think

1067
01:30:13,75 --> 01:30:17,92
like everyone in the room here I'm very
sympathetic to the impulse behind this

1068
01:30:17,93 --> 01:30:23,60
because we know that people are struggling
in Amherst as elsewhere to get by on

1069
01:30:23,61 --> 01:30:29,93
insufficient wages. I agree also with what
Mitt Brewer said it's very regrettable

1070
01:30:30,16 --> 01:30:33,86
that the petitioner did not see fit to
share any of this information or plan for

1071
01:30:33,87 --> 01:30:37,24
compromise with us until the last minute
that's not the way to do things it's

1072
01:30:37,25 --> 01:30:42,15
amateurish. As I said I'm sympathetic
I realize also this is part of

1073
01:30:42,16 --> 01:30:44,84
a larger national movement the
fifteen Naaman For example there's

1074
01:30:44,85 --> 01:30:48,90
a measure like this in Seattle you see it
around the country the problem is that

1075
01:30:48,91 --> 01:30:53,45
sympathy emotions don't make for good
politics by themselves I think you can make

1076
01:30:53,46 --> 01:30:57,17
a very good left wing argument against
this some of us who are progressives

1077
01:30:57,18 --> 01:31:03,27
involved in progressive politics before the
petitioner was born. Do the math if you

1078
01:31:03,28 --> 01:31:07,14
actually look at the Living Wage calculations
for Massachusetts you'll find for

1079
01:31:07,15 --> 01:31:11,32
example that in Boston the living wage
not the minimum of the poverty but the

1080
01:31:11,33 --> 01:31:15,24
minimum wage the Living Wage I'm sorry for
one adult is twelve dollars and sixty

1081
01:31:15,25 --> 01:31:20,57
five cents for two adults at seventeen
thirty five the corresponding figures for

1082
01:31:20,58 --> 01:31:25,95
Amherst one adult nine dollar and six cents
to adults fourteen dollars and twelve

1083
01:31:25,96 --> 01:31:30,99
cents and obviously one on one income is
not always sufficient but that gives you

1084
01:31:31,00 --> 01:31:36,23
some perspective on this and this is
probably the first or last time you're going

1085
01:31:36,24 --> 01:31:40,93
to hear this reference cited in Amherst
official body but this is really what Lenin

1086
01:31:40,94 --> 01:31:45,03
called left wing infant how disorder
it's based on the assumption that

1087
01:31:45,04 --> 01:31:48,89
a state of mind itself is sufficient to
bring about radical political change and

1088
01:31:48,90 --> 01:31:53,53
that's just not the way things work. We
have this expression Think globally act

1089
01:31:53,54 --> 01:31:57,70
locally will sometimes acting locally is
not enough I think if one is made clear

1090
01:31:57,83 --> 01:31:58,06
we're in

1091
01:31:58,07 --> 01:32:02,04
a much larger environment so there's the
practical question of the way Jim packed

1092
01:32:02,05 --> 01:32:06,57
on Amherst on the town of Amherst on the
businesses and so forth but I think also

1093
01:32:06,58 --> 01:32:07,91
the political one I mean this is a kind of

1094
01:32:07,92 --> 01:32:12,42
a feel good measure that makes people feel
morally righteous and yet it actually

1095
01:32:12,43 --> 01:32:17,24
could harm the cause other things it absolves
those who should have responsibility

1096
01:32:17,39 --> 01:32:21,68
the state and federal governments and
so I think we've much better served by

1097
01:32:21,69 --> 01:32:25,99
putting our efforts into pressing for
state and national minimum wage increases

1098
01:32:26,06 --> 01:32:32,47
thank you very much who would like to
comment I'm sorry I'm sorry you have not

1099
01:32:32,48 --> 01:32:38,84
recognized this. I

1100
01:32:39,89 --> 01:32:45,26
have two comments in addition to everything
that's been shared so far. One thing

1101
01:32:45,27 --> 01:32:50,98
that might just be worth planning to address
at town meeting and I direct this to

1102
01:32:50,99 --> 01:32:54,37
our finance director I'm so sorry I kept
calling you the finance manager I know

1103
01:32:54,38 --> 01:32:58,50
better the finance director and to the
Finance Committee this is what happens when

1104
01:32:58,51 --> 01:33:02,41
you're trying to read things and
talk the same time is that there's

1105
01:33:02,45 --> 01:33:07,16
a little bit different view of how the tax
work off program in Amherst would work

1106
01:33:07,83 --> 01:33:13,08
under the situation described
in the memo from our H.R.

1107
01:33:13,09 --> 01:33:16,09
Director and finance director versus the
way it's described in the fine it's there

1108
01:33:16,10 --> 01:33:20,43
not in conflict it's just different ways
of approaching the problem so this is

1109
01:33:20,44 --> 01:33:24,04
a very small potatoes issue but it is
something that in fact many tell me Members

1110
01:33:24,05 --> 01:33:28,08
may not have automatically thought of is
that it in fact would impact that program

1111
01:33:28,09 --> 01:33:30,52
as well and would either
involve people having to work

1112
01:33:30,56 --> 01:33:35,96
a lot fewer hours or increasing the the
amount that we put aside for that program

1113
01:33:36,25 --> 01:33:40,03
so both of which would obviously have
significant impacts because people are doing

1114
01:33:40,12 --> 01:33:45,94
less for the same amount of money. And
so different situation the other thing I

1115
01:33:45,95 --> 01:33:50,35
want to make sure that and I'm trying really
hard not to confuse these issues that

1116
01:33:50,43 --> 01:33:54,53
you've heard the frustration expressed
about not having more information before

1117
01:33:54,54 --> 01:33:57,86
today it's been so great that people
have been able to provide us additional

1118
01:33:57,87 --> 01:34:01,31
information the Saturn instance is really
our last opportunity to talk about this

1119
01:34:01,32 --> 01:34:06,95
prior to the town meeting. And I do not
at all want to conflate the issue which

1120
01:34:06,99 --> 01:34:10,97
needs to stand on its own merit versus the
process and I like appreciate that you

1121
01:34:10,98 --> 01:34:12,54
outline the process in terms of how

1122
01:34:12,55 --> 01:34:17,79
a special town meeting is called there have
been much there's been much speculation

1123
01:34:17,80 --> 01:34:22,29
in the process to how this is actually going
to work on Wednesday night and I think

1124
01:34:22,30 --> 01:34:26,70
that that's one of the things that causing
agitation that we don't want to spill

1125
01:34:26,71 --> 01:34:28,74
into the issue but yet at the same time is

1126
01:34:28,75 --> 01:34:33,34
a very real concern and that is that town
meeting members we were all worked really

1127
01:34:33,35 --> 01:34:37,91
hard town meeting members and various
members of bodies and town employees etc

1128
01:34:38,25 --> 01:34:43,91
alike to limit the amount of times we
have to meet in the auditorium to do town

1129
01:34:43,92 --> 01:34:48,84
meetings. Work and adding another night to
that is making people unhappy and that's

1130
01:34:48,85 --> 01:34:49,19
simply

1131
01:34:49,20 --> 01:34:54,00
a fact and so yes this is obviously the
petitioners right and petition is right to

1132
01:34:54,01 --> 01:34:57,92
do that but it has to be recognized that
of course that's going to play out in

1133
01:34:57,93 --> 01:35:01,39
terms of people's individual personal lives
people have other conflicts they don't

1134
01:35:01,40 --> 01:35:04,92
expect our meeting to start on March
nineteenth which is one of the things we

1135
01:35:04,93 --> 01:35:08,86
talked about when we had to make the
schedule but we had very limited choices

1136
01:35:08,87 --> 01:35:14,73
available to us. Along those lines one of
the things that I want to me clear as as

1137
01:35:14,74 --> 01:35:18,86
we finish our conversation is that I am
not in favor of rescheduling this to

1138
01:35:18,87 --> 01:35:19,25
a night of

1139
01:35:19,26 --> 01:35:24,42
a regular town meeting the petitioner had
every ability to produce sent this as

1140
01:35:24,43 --> 01:35:28,45
a ten signature item for the regular town
meeting position had not missed that

1141
01:35:28,46 --> 01:35:32,86
deadline could have gone down that process
chose not to use that process this is an

1142
01:35:32,90 --> 01:35:35,77
I don't want this to be addressed during
regular tell me we have plenty of other

1143
01:35:35,78 --> 01:35:40,93
things to do during regular town meaning
I want this to be disposed of taken care

1144
01:35:40,94 --> 01:35:46,86
of on Wednesday the nineteenth. Wednesday
the nineteenth beyond the conflicts we

1145
01:35:46,87 --> 01:35:51,60
talked about associated with scheduling
for individuals like myself or the entire

1146
01:35:51,61 --> 01:35:56,02
town meeting body that's coming on Wednesday
we've also asked the town manager to

1147
01:35:56,03 --> 01:36:00,74
check with Town Council as to how various
motions might actually play out on the

1148
01:36:00,75 --> 01:36:03,92
floor of town meeting and so that's
something that you know whether or not we

1149
01:36:03,93 --> 01:36:08,04
decide to get into the details of tonight
that's been another thing we've had to do

1150
01:36:08,05 --> 01:36:12,41
associated with this process that isn't
something that has been as much of an issue

1151
01:36:12,42 --> 01:36:16,37
associated with regular town meetings so
there has been you know that it's sort of

1152
01:36:16,38 --> 01:36:19,73
a breaking news environment where we're
constantly finding out more information

1153
01:36:19,74 --> 01:36:22,54
what happens if this happens what if we
don't get a quorum What if we do get

1154
01:36:22,55 --> 01:36:25,89
a quorum What if the motion is to do this
what if the motions to do that so we're

1155
01:36:25,90 --> 01:36:29,36
trying to sort all that out but for those
of you out in the world who are still

1156
01:36:29,37 --> 01:36:32,61
asking those questions we don't know all
the answers to that because some of this

1157
01:36:32,62 --> 01:36:33,17
is still

1158
01:36:33,38 --> 01:36:37,92
a little unclear in terms of dismissal
versus passing versus not passing versus how

1159
01:36:37,93 --> 01:36:41,34
things might work for a future referendum
vote and so it's gotten balled up in

1160
01:36:41,35 --> 01:36:46,52
a lot of process issues in addition to the
concept itself so referring back to the

1161
01:36:46,53 --> 01:36:50,92
concept itself repeating basically what
everyone else has said without actually

1162
01:36:50,93 --> 01:36:57,69
appealing and to say that although I
appreciate the concept of. Compromise I don't

1163
01:36:57,70 --> 01:36:58,90
see that this is a compromise

1164
01:36:58,91 --> 01:37:02,46
a bill that even the thoughts that have
been floated associated with well maybe we

1165
01:37:02,47 --> 01:37:05,70
could do it with smaller you know exam
small employees well maybe we can make it

1166
01:37:05,71 --> 01:37:09,56
a smaller amount that's not going to change
my vote and my vote is not just because

1167
01:37:09,57 --> 01:37:16,11
I'm quite honestly annoyed with the
process that's not why I don't want to

1168
01:37:16,12 --> 01:37:20,32
compromise it's because I don't think the
compromise improves that enough. We can

1169
01:37:20,33 --> 01:37:25,46
support it I just don't feel that it still
meets that bar of what we can say yes we

1170
01:37:25,47 --> 01:37:29,90
endorse one special legislation on this
given all the ramifications we can see even

1171
01:37:29,91 --> 01:37:34,65
though every one of us probably says Oh
yes of course increase minimum wage but

1172
01:37:34,66 --> 01:37:39,95
given the situation changing the amount
changing who it applies to does not feel

1173
01:37:39,96 --> 01:37:45,65
like it will change our opinion no matter
what conversation might come thank you

1174
01:37:46,32 --> 01:37:51,87
this time you want to make any comment.
If I can support it because of the impact

1175
01:37:51,88 --> 01:37:57,20
it would have on the town the schools the
library I just don't think we can afford

1176
01:37:57,21 --> 01:38:03,31
it my heart would go with it I certainly
think that people are grossly underpaid

1177
01:38:03,85 --> 01:38:09,20
but I just think what has to be
realistic and if we put Amherst at

1178
01:38:09,21 --> 01:38:16,13
a disadvantage compared to Hadley
let's say. I mean we will suffer

1179
01:38:16,86 --> 01:38:17,16
as

1180
01:38:17,17 --> 01:38:23,83
a result and you know having fewer
people being able to work for

1181
01:38:23,84 --> 01:38:30,13
a particular company for the library. Is
just going to stress this is to meet and

1182
01:38:30,14 --> 01:38:36,96
more than it already is so I'm not
going to support it. I just just

1183
01:38:37,10 --> 01:38:39,02
one more I want to spend

1184
01:38:39,03 --> 01:38:44,39
a little bit I want to what Miss Brewer
is saying about the process I'm not sure.

1185
01:38:45,99 --> 01:38:49,15
I don't understand that we can take

1186
01:38:49,16 --> 01:38:52,91
a position on anything except
what we have we don't have

1187
01:38:52,92 --> 01:38:59,30
a compromise and then we have no. No
petitioner and we have an e-mail but I'm not

1188
01:38:59,31 --> 01:38:59,83
exactly sure of

1189
01:38:59,84 --> 01:39:06,34
a of its provenance. So I'm feeling
like we have to act on what we have in

1190
01:39:06,35 --> 01:39:12,23
hand speculating on town meeting and what
happens there is interesting and kind of

1191
01:39:12,24 --> 01:39:17,54
fun I'd love to do that with you maybe after
the meeting for hours on end but. I'm

1192
01:39:17,55 --> 01:39:23,30
not sure we can act on it like that. This
is like Borden need further input from

1193
01:39:23,31 --> 01:39:29,43
the public in order to make our decision
about this OK so what I'm hearing is no

1194
01:39:29,44 --> 01:39:35,44
one is positively inclined towards this
at all that that the impacts on the town

1195
01:39:35,45 --> 01:39:41,17
schools and libraries as well as the
impact on local businesses would be

1196
01:39:42,07 --> 01:39:48,66
too significant of their concern
about acting unilaterally and making

1197
01:39:48,67 --> 01:39:53,38
Amherst a small island
of of a higher wage in

1198
01:39:53,42 --> 01:39:55,61
a larger region of

1199
01:39:55,76 --> 01:40:01,48
a lesser minimum wage does not seem
attractive to us which I think it.

1200
01:40:02,52 --> 01:40:09,20
Gets to Mr Hayden's point about as well
as Mr Byrd about. That this is that the

1201
01:40:09,21 --> 01:40:14,48
compromise question basically kind of doesn't
meet our our threshold like we still

1202
01:40:14,48 --> 01:40:18,53
have the we still have the unilateral
we still have the Amherst as an island

1203
01:40:18,53 --> 01:40:25,46
situation. Mystery and I would like to
add just one other thing and that's as

1204
01:40:25,47 --> 01:40:32,38
appreciation for. The mobilization of all
the folks who got together to do as much

1205
01:40:32,39 --> 01:40:38,96
as they could to analyze the actual
effects. Just thank you yes the

1206
01:40:39,13 --> 01:40:44,10
town staff as well as local businesses have
had very little notice to put together

1207
01:40:44,11 --> 01:40:49,05
a whole bunch of information and much
appreciated OK so what have I missed anything

1208
01:40:49,06 --> 01:40:54,82
and our general support for increasing the
minimum wage at the state and federal

1209
01:40:54,83 --> 01:40:58,23
level that that's where we think it's more
appropriate for these things to happen

1210
01:40:58,61 --> 01:41:05,19
am I missing anything on sort of our general
position on this so I can. OK So so I

1211
01:41:05,20 --> 01:41:07,92
just want to I just want to
sort of separate these into

1212
01:41:07,93 --> 01:41:12,55
a couple of things so we've we've got the
situation so we're we will take the vote

1213
01:41:12,55 --> 01:41:18,58
. Regarding the our to our recommendation
to town meeting we have I think taken

1214
01:41:18,59 --> 01:41:22,25
care of the situation about compromise
we're also not supporting any kind of

1215
01:41:22,26 --> 01:41:27,81
a compromise for the larger reasons that
we've stated OK I think those are the only

1216
01:41:27,82 --> 01:41:33,68
things we need to think about in relation
to the article itself at town meeting so

1217
01:41:33,69 --> 01:41:36,71
I'm going to ask that we vote our position
on this and then we're going to talk

1218
01:41:36,72 --> 01:41:39,56
about some of the process stuff

1219
01:41:39,57 --> 01:41:42,88
a town meeting to the degree that we need
to talk about that so mistimed would you

1220
01:41:42,89 --> 01:41:48,02
like to make the motion I would and my
apologies this is the first time I've missed

1221
01:41:48,55 --> 01:41:53,48
a motion article that should have been
there so I'm vavle the one I move that the

1222
01:41:53,49 --> 01:41:57,69
select board not support the
warring or an article during

1223
01:41:57,70 --> 01:42:01,09
a special town meeting up
marched nineteenth for

1224
01:42:01,10 --> 01:42:07,66
a special act to raise the minimum wage
to fifteen dollars an hour. So I can for

1225
01:42:07,67 --> 01:42:13,67
the discussion own favor say aye aye that's
unanimous we're not recommending this

1226
01:42:13,68 --> 01:42:15,81
article to town meeting
OK so then there are

1227
01:42:15,82 --> 01:42:19,19
a couple process things I don't want to
get too deep into this because frankly

1228
01:42:19,20 --> 01:42:22,11
a lot of this is the moderators problem
and we've got enough problems without

1229
01:42:22,12 --> 01:42:29,03
adopting other people's problems. The
question that Ms Breuer raised about how to

1230
01:42:29,04 --> 01:42:34,61
dispose of the article one of the options
being to postpone consideration to

1231
01:42:34,62 --> 01:42:41,48
a future date. That at my understanding
is it would primarily be

1232
01:42:41,49 --> 01:42:46,69
a consideration if a quorum
was not reached. So if

1233
01:42:46,70 --> 01:42:52,99
a quorum were to be reached in the meeting
is opened and held then. I think there

1234
01:42:53,00 --> 01:42:57,88
would be no reason to do anything other
than to try to defeat the article or you

1235
01:42:57,89 --> 01:43:01,69
know let it play its course through town
meeting and it would either be approved or

1236
01:43:01,70 --> 01:43:07,61
defeated. If so is so is that true do
you agree that those those are the only

1237
01:43:07,62 --> 01:43:14,12
things we would be doing at town meeting
that we need to consider. I believe

1238
01:43:14,20 --> 01:43:20,62
my point was one to make these
options clear and to state if we had

1239
01:43:20,63 --> 01:43:27,30
a preference as to our. As we discuss this
with our fellow community members as to

1240
01:43:27,31 --> 01:43:32,24
how we given what we know of those facts
even though they are largely within the

1241
01:43:32,25 --> 01:43:36,99
moderators purview to to share our
understanding of the situation because we've

1242
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:39,99
been getting lots of questions well what
happens if we do this what happened so so

1243
01:43:40,00 --> 01:43:44,33
not now not we'll get into more specifics
of those if you want to in effect but as

1244
01:43:44,34 --> 01:43:49,43
far as what you're talking about I think I
haven't misrepresented or left anything

1245
01:43:49,44 --> 01:43:54,07
out of where we are so far OK so then so
then the other part of your question with

1246
01:43:54,08 --> 01:43:58,79
relation to. What to do
with this if we don't get

1247
01:43:58,80 --> 01:44:04,98
a quorum is the motion to eat could either
dissolve town meeting that this is our

1248
01:44:04,99 --> 01:44:06,21
understanding from town council of

1249
01:44:06,22 --> 01:44:10,64
a quorum is not achieved at the moderators
discretion as far as how much time would

1250
01:44:10,65 --> 01:44:16,82
pass we'd have the option to either
dissolve the town meeting it was simply

1251
01:44:16,83 --> 01:44:18,59
a not a successful not

1252
01:44:18,60 --> 01:44:23,19
a viable town meeting so now it's closed
or we would have the option to postpone it

1253
01:44:23,42 --> 01:44:26,75
to. To another date

1254
01:44:26,76 --> 01:44:30,99
a date certain for other consideration
and the natural time to do that would be

1255
01:44:31,00 --> 01:44:36,68
during our annual town meeting which starts
on April twenty eighth so Miss Brewer

1256
01:44:36,69 --> 01:44:42,40
is saying she would prefer not to do that
because she would prefer not to postpone

1257
01:44:42,41 --> 01:44:49,01
it. So this is actually important to know
if I am making the motion. At at that

1258
01:44:49,02 --> 01:44:51,89
moment you know it and any
town meeting member can make

1259
01:44:51,90 --> 01:44:56,99
a motion but but typically that falls to
me to to dissolve or to make sector action

1260
01:44:57,00 --> 01:45:00,88
so I one want to do whatever the select
board is looking to have done to other

1261
01:45:00,89 --> 01:45:06,24
folks feel strongly about whether or
not this is postponed versus dismissed

1262
01:45:07,20 --> 01:45:13,35
mistreated Yes I'd rather
not postpone. And I have

1263
01:45:13,36 --> 01:45:19,08
a question when we get around to
that period. Ask it now. Should.

1264
01:45:20,12 --> 01:45:23,05
We elect why would have

1265
01:45:23,06 --> 01:45:29,96
a process to dissolve. I understand

1266
01:45:29,97 --> 01:45:34,33
and I would allow that I'm mistaken in this
understanding that we've got to finish

1267
01:45:34,34 --> 01:45:40,35
the business of town meeting one way or
another so is dissolution the equivalent of

1268
01:45:41,55 --> 01:45:48,30
of voting the the the article down we
don't have perfect clarity on from town

1269
01:45:48,31 --> 01:45:54,56
council yet right as far as what that
leaves us with as an action in some ways

1270
01:45:55,38 --> 01:45:59,18
you don't need to finish the business of
town meeting you only need to finish it if

1271
01:45:59,18 --> 01:46:04,84
you've opened it once the warrant has been
addressed so that you get something we

1272
01:46:04,84 --> 01:46:05,36
come across

1273
01:46:05,36 --> 01:46:08,77
a lot with say Annual time and you might
marry that you're going to get enough

1274
01:46:08,77 --> 01:46:12,57
folks to come at the end in order to finish
our business and close it understood if

1275
01:46:12,58 --> 01:46:16,27
we've never opened it it's not quite the
same but then the question is what is the

1276
01:46:16,29 --> 01:46:22,73
situation we're left with if we have
dissolved versus. Versus postponed

1277
01:46:23,13 --> 01:46:27,23
what what could a follow up
action be to dissolve ing of

1278
01:46:27,24 --> 01:46:33,85
a non core meeting and unfortunately just
don't have clarity yet Mr My concern and

1279
01:46:33,85 --> 01:46:38,52
. Perhaps obvious but because of the
questions we've been getting there have been

1280
01:46:38,53 --> 01:46:41,91
people who have been saying I'm not going
to go up and then everybody says well

1281
01:46:41,92 --> 01:46:46,61
that's OK because then nothing will
happen except that it isn't assured that

1282
01:46:46,62 --> 01:46:49,59
nothing will happen not that we really
know for sure what the thing means but we

1283
01:46:49,60 --> 01:46:55,79
think we know nothing. And
that So my my point is that

1284
01:46:56,30 --> 01:46:59,89
beyond instructing our charity speak on
our behalf in terms of the motion that

1285
01:46:59,90 --> 01:47:04,99
she'd like I personally unless the rest
of the board decides to tell me to tell

1286
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:09,31
people otherwise I would encourage
people to attend so that we do obtain

1287
01:47:09,32 --> 01:47:10,09
a quorum so that

1288
01:47:10,10 --> 01:47:13,27
a position can actually be taken on the
article because if they simply don't show

1289
01:47:13,28 --> 01:47:17,74
up thinking well that's good enough then
they have to understand that in fact it

1290
01:47:17,75 --> 01:47:21,82
could very well be even if our
chair doesn't doesn't represent us

1291
01:47:21,83 --> 01:47:25,74
a saying yes that's what we want to do
someone else could make the motion to say

1292
01:47:25,75 --> 01:47:28,52
that they want to do it during one of the
regular town meeting nights and everybody

1293
01:47:28,53 --> 01:47:33,48
kids that's there which is not a quorum
could be two people could say yeah that's

1294
01:47:33,49 --> 01:47:37,74
a good idea and go home and now we've added
something to our regular TELL ME MORE

1295
01:47:38,08 --> 01:47:41,75
So I just want people to understand you
know what their choice is me when they make

1296
01:47:41,76 --> 01:47:45,73
the choice we don't have to agree what's
the right choice but just that they're

1297
01:47:45,74 --> 01:47:50,95
making an informed choice not making an
assumption right so if I might be so bold

1298
01:47:50,96 --> 01:47:55,66
as to speak to what we might tell people
about what they should do this is our form

1299
01:47:55,67 --> 01:48:02,39
of government this is our town charter and
this is what is enabled under state law

1300
01:48:02,71 --> 01:48:03,23
under

1301
01:48:03,27 --> 01:48:07,58
a town meeting form of government and so
that doesn't mean you have to like what

1302
01:48:07,59 --> 01:48:10,97
the outcome's going to be it doesn't mean
you have to like what the issue is that's

1303
01:48:10,98 --> 01:48:17,80
in front of us but frankly I believe that.
That supporting the structure that is

1304
01:48:17,84 --> 01:48:23,04
is our best option and so I would encourage
everyone to attend the town meeting and

1305
01:48:23,56 --> 01:48:23,81
take

1306
01:48:23,82 --> 01:48:29,10
a position either way because that's really
if we start undermining our own structure

1307
01:48:29,11 --> 01:48:34,80
than then that's a slippery
slope. Right so so we don't have

1308
01:48:34,81 --> 01:48:38,42
a really satisfying answer to your question
I think that some of this is going to

1309
01:48:38,43 --> 01:48:44,29
just depend on what we learn more from town
council as we get to Wednesday night I

1310
01:48:44,30 --> 01:48:50,44
think that. Let's see if so this
really only comes into effect if it's

1311
01:48:50,45 --> 01:48:53,13
a if there's not a quorum and
I'm not actually worried about

1312
01:48:53,14 --> 01:48:57,40
a core My I believe that that the town will
show up for this they might not like it

1313
01:48:57,41 --> 01:49:01,06
but I believe that they'll show up for it
for the reasons that I already stated if

1314
01:49:01,07 --> 01:49:06,25
they don't show up I think
then. I'm not sure we can take

1315
01:49:06,26 --> 01:49:10,87
a position not knowing the outcome of
further analysis by town council as far as

1316
01:49:10,88 --> 01:49:15,15
what dissolution would mean in
which case the postponing it to

1317
01:49:15,16 --> 01:49:18,54
a date certain might be preferable Would
you agree because we don't have enough

1318
01:49:18,55 --> 01:49:25,04
information to know. So

1319
01:49:25,28 --> 01:49:28,82
I'm sorry and I'm sorry this is taking so
long for those of you waiting for another

1320
01:49:28,83 --> 01:49:29,76
item this is just

1321
01:49:30,72 --> 01:49:37,23
a lot of ongoing learning process for all
of us so you're saying that in fact if we

1322
01:49:37,24 --> 01:49:37,61
don't have

1323
01:49:37,62 --> 01:49:42,21
a quorum that would be the preferable
choice rather than dissolving because we're

1324
01:49:42,22 --> 01:49:46,65
not one hundred perhaps one hundred percent
certain what dissolving actually means

1325
01:49:46,75 --> 01:49:47,43
I'm not saying there's

1326
01:49:47,44 --> 01:49:50,35
a preference either way I'm saying I don't
know if we have enough information to

1327
01:49:50,36 --> 01:49:50,54
have

1328
01:49:50,55 --> 01:49:57,50
a preference or do with first
perhaps we don't. Know so we'll

1329
01:49:57,51 --> 01:50:03,23
be winging it will be winging it is what
it comes down to and and as we continue

1330
01:50:03,24 --> 01:50:07,62
this I am again I am sensitive to the
timeliness of how long this is taking us to

1331
01:50:07,63 --> 01:50:14,51
discuss but. I think it's important
that we acknowledge that we have

1332
01:50:14,63 --> 01:50:20,21
heard this is not in writing we have heard
things associated with referendum and

1333
01:50:20,22 --> 01:50:24,39
again that process is very clearly laid out
in our town government but I just don't

1334
01:50:24,40 --> 01:50:28,88
want people to assume that we didn't
consider that as part of our discussion

1335
01:50:28,89 --> 01:50:33,22
because sometimes people say well what
you know what's the upshot here this is

1336
01:50:33,23 --> 01:50:38,29
special legislation you know so we send
it off to Boston whatever because. We

1337
01:50:38,30 --> 01:50:41,84
talked you spoke to that as to whether or
not who cares as to what message we're

1338
01:50:41,85 --> 01:50:42,92
sending by sending

1339
01:50:42,93 --> 01:50:47,88
a message and we also accept that the
referendum process is part of our total

1340
01:50:47,89 --> 01:50:50,51
government act and that it can
be pursued and that yes it has

1341
01:50:50,52 --> 01:50:56,46
a cost associated with and that also
does not sway us as a body as to

1342
01:50:56,47 --> 01:51:00,14
a reason to support an article because
the process is what the process is as

1343
01:51:00,15 --> 01:51:04,52
opposed to if you do this then this will
happen and I think I understand your

1344
01:51:04,53 --> 01:51:07,97
larger point being you know the body needs
to know the implications of whatever

1345
01:51:07,98 --> 01:51:13,46
decision you make so the moderator is aware
of all of these differences and will

1346
01:51:13,47 --> 01:51:18,58
hostilities and and is looking to have
very concrete answers for us all on

1347
01:51:18,59 --> 01:51:25,00
Wednesday night so OK i'm sorry i'm not i'm
not taking public comment right now so

1348
01:51:25,01 --> 01:51:28,98
is there anything else that the select board
needs to decide on in relation to this

1349
01:51:28,99 --> 01:51:31,76
do you have additional concerns things
they're not going to be further addressed by

1350
01:51:31,77 --> 01:51:38,74
the moderator on Wednesday OK So as far as
our procedural stuff who wants to speak

1351
01:51:38,75 --> 01:51:44,51
to this for the select board Oh
I would but I will be there.

1352
01:51:47,25 --> 01:51:52,88
Isn't that hand I like Mr Wald in the whole
left wing infantine disorder that I'm

1353
01:51:52,89 --> 01:51:56,04
going to really get just maybe I'm going
to jump in and say I'll volunteer to do

1354
01:51:56,05 --> 01:52:00,85
that I think I believe it's safer then
Russian philosopher out of it really does I

1355
01:52:00,86 --> 01:52:06,41
thought oh really I'm just like. OK So Mr
Hayden would like to speak to this OK The

1356
01:52:06,42 --> 01:52:10,12
other thing is that what we have been doing
is doing written positions on select

1357
01:52:10,13 --> 01:52:17,11
board articles. So we want to try to
keep doing that and so that would

1358
01:52:17,12 --> 01:52:22,17
be something that we would supply just at
the last minute to be I don't know if I

1359
01:52:22,18 --> 01:52:26,54
can do this honestly like I have just have
so much work to do between now and next

1360
01:52:26,55 --> 01:52:30,87
Tuesday getting many loose ends tied up
that I don't think that I have the ability

1361
01:52:30,88 --> 01:52:35,38
to get that written so would someone like
to volunteer to right now or put it all

1362
01:52:35,39 --> 01:52:39,73
right that OK I commend haven't published
that night is that so if you'd like to

1363
01:52:39,74 --> 01:52:44,67
coordinate with me you know I don't know
what your understanding is of what we

1364
01:52:44,68 --> 01:52:48,60
think our position was and kind of the
process for getting that to town meeting

1365
01:52:48,61 --> 01:52:52,80
members for that night and coordinating
with Miss Ruth Miss purple and the Office

1366
01:52:53,00 --> 01:52:58,00
of the great OK may have to be spoken. OK
but it's over with so I think that the

1367
01:52:58,01 --> 01:53:00,44
point is that our written position is just

1368
01:53:00,45 --> 01:53:03,76
a brief summary it does not
replace speaking especially in

1369
01:53:03,77 --> 01:53:07,67
a situation like this when I think that
we want to speak to this but we also want

1370
01:53:07,68 --> 01:53:13,53
to both reinforce the habit of and provide
to folks ahead of time just the briefest

1371
01:53:13,57 --> 01:53:18,51
outline of what the select boards position
is and why and that could either become

1372
01:53:18,52 --> 01:53:23,10
talking points for what you speak on or
whatever but but it does not need to be the

1373
01:53:23,11 --> 01:53:28,62
same it needs to be just as I please all
of conciseness we understand OK Anything

1374
01:53:28,63 --> 01:53:35,61
else on this issue then all right
so public Mr Kelly there Kelly

1375
01:53:35,62 --> 01:53:39,76
precinct five I already informed the
moderator that I will be making if we get

1376
01:53:39,77 --> 01:53:40,99
a quorum I will be making

1377
01:53:41,00 --> 01:53:46,63
a motion to dismiss which I personally
think makes it referendum proof if that

1378
01:53:46,64 --> 01:53:47,36
should pass with

1379
01:53:47,37 --> 01:53:52,77
a simple majority vote so based on my
word that's going to happen maybe you all

1380
01:53:52,78 --> 01:53:58,70
want to discuss very briefly what you
would support. So the idea being that

1381
01:53:58,74 --> 01:54:04,41
a dismissal dismissal would protect
potentially protect it from our friend

1382
01:54:05,18 --> 01:54:11,85
whereas voting it up or down the
road down essentially would not. OK

1383
01:54:12,30 --> 01:54:15,78
missing that's one of the questions we've
asked town council and that they don't

1384
01:54:15,79 --> 01:54:20,94
have the answer to yet so while while
the motion or may have that belief very

1385
01:54:20,95 --> 01:54:26,53
heartfelt our town council has not yet
found that they feel confident saying that

1386
01:54:26,54 --> 01:54:31,06
that's what dismissal will result
so yes we had that puts us in

1387
01:54:31,07 --> 01:54:33,93
a difficult OK so I'm
not sure we could take

1388
01:54:33,94 --> 01:54:40,69
a position on this per se and I I think
that the discussion on it regardless of the

1389
01:54:40,70 --> 01:54:46,73
motion is going to be quite broad
because you can't really you know the

1390
01:54:47,59 --> 01:54:51,75
question of dismissal or not is sort of the
same as whether or not this should pass

1391
01:54:51,76 --> 01:54:56,50
so I think that I think that we can
probably vote individually maybe not

1392
01:54:56,51 --> 01:55:00,03
necessarily take us like we're position
based on the information that we have that

1393
01:55:00,03 --> 01:55:06,75
night per dismissal I would get with
that excuse me. So do we do we want take

1394
01:55:06,77 --> 01:55:12,04
further action on Mr Kelly statement or
we're good to again on that Mr Hayden

1395
01:55:13,04 --> 01:55:18,49
No I would suggest we don't mostly because
we don't have the information that we

1396
01:55:18,51 --> 01:55:22,59
would need to sort of make that decision
with the main motion we have there's

1397
01:55:22,60 --> 01:55:25,05
a lot of work that's been
done we really have gotten to

1398
01:55:25,06 --> 01:55:31,71
a place of understanding so we appreciate
it I think but not sure I could write it

1399
01:55:31,72 --> 01:55:35,73
it's difficult to know how many kind of
contingencies we can plan for when we don't

1400
01:55:35,74 --> 01:55:40,97
have the answers to them all right further
public comment as per And please be

1401
01:55:40,98 --> 01:55:44,87
brief I'll be very brief
if the petitioner is

1402
01:55:44,88 --> 01:55:50,34
a student it's very bad timing and another
black eye for the town of Amherst if

1403
01:55:50,35 --> 01:55:55,89
they have all the public meeting. The town
meeting when the students are on student

1404
01:55:55,90 --> 01:56:02,44
break the petitioner might have thought
of that when he. Got you but if the two

1405
01:56:02,45 --> 01:56:03,90
hundred say you're doing

1406
01:56:03,91 --> 01:56:09,47
a lot of signatures thank you thank you
so so the petitioner has by price of

1407
01:56:09,48 --> 01:56:12,13
missing this petition he has created

1408
01:56:12,14 --> 01:56:15,87
a certain window in which the select board
needed to schedule this and there were

1409
01:56:15,88 --> 01:56:20,100
many many different complications to the
scheduling so if this was not convenient

1410
01:56:21,01 --> 01:56:25,69
for him he might have waited until after
spring break OK so we're done with this

1411
01:56:26,00 --> 01:56:32,74
issue right finally yes Leslie All
right very good. We vote less yes yes

1412
01:56:32,78 --> 01:56:39,08
OK thank you because we pay for the process
All right moving on report on Precinct

1413
01:56:39,09 --> 01:56:45,98
Patrick's Day disturbance and next up.
Thank you very much. And you have been.

1414
01:56:47,61 --> 01:56:47,84
Quite

1415
01:56:47,85 --> 01:56:56,33
a bit of information in your
package. Including. Some

1416
01:56:56,34 --> 01:57:00,33
reports from the Amherst police on what
actually occurred and I'll ask Chief

1417
01:57:00,34 --> 01:57:02,75
Livingstone in a few minutes to give

1418
01:57:02,76 --> 01:57:05,91
a brief recap on that
also have in your package

1419
01:57:05,92 --> 01:57:09,57
a statement from the chancellor released
last Sunday night condemning the behavior

1420
01:57:09,58 --> 01:57:16,35
and committing the university to. Take
appropriate action against students

1421
01:57:16,74 --> 01:57:21,54
in the university code of
conduct process. There's also

1422
01:57:21,55 --> 01:57:23,72
a summary in the form of

1423
01:57:23,73 --> 01:57:29,32
a press release that really begins to
outline some of the next steps. By the

1424
01:57:29,33 --> 01:57:35,71
university working in partnership with the
town but first let me just say again.

1425
01:57:37,10 --> 01:57:39,16
As both a community leader and as

1426
01:57:39,17 --> 01:57:45,62
a proud alum of view mass myself I share
the frustration the embarrassment and the

1427
01:57:45,63 --> 01:57:50,30
anger over the events of
last weekend this was

1428
01:57:50,31 --> 01:57:57,06
a social media and alcohol fuelled series
of disturbances on last Saturday the

1429
01:57:57,07 --> 01:58:03,48
eighth we had two hundred forty police calls
for service we had about twenty M. S.

1430
01:58:03,49 --> 01:58:09,08
Calls related to this so-called
event I first want to say.

1431
01:58:10,43 --> 01:58:17,10
A huge thank you to our public safety first
responders and we have many of the men

1432
01:58:17,11 --> 01:58:22,88
and women of the police department
with us tonight Chief Nelson is here

1433
01:58:22,89 --> 01:58:27,34
representing the fire
department also our our.

1434
01:58:29,66 --> 01:58:34,35
Colleagues from the Mass State Police and
the you Master police department they did

1435
01:58:34,36 --> 01:58:41,22
a tremendous job under very difficult
circumstances. I want to also particularly

1436
01:58:41,23 --> 01:58:47,43
acknowledge chief Livingstone and captains
Pronovost and Gunderson for their.

1437
01:58:49,21 --> 01:58:55,96
Professional calm and orderly.
Handling of this series of incidents

1438
01:58:55,97 --> 01:59:02,30
both in terms of deployment of personnel
and resources I think that. The

1439
01:59:02,31 --> 01:59:08,95
police acted appropriately multiple times
to disperse the large and growing unruly

1440
01:59:08,96 --> 01:59:15,71
crowds. To help prevent more serious
injuries in property damage from occurring.

1441
01:59:17,09 --> 01:59:22,84
I know that. Beyond the very
real human impacts both on

1442
01:59:23,60 --> 01:59:28,51
staff and members in our
community. There's also

1443
01:59:28,52 --> 01:59:33,21
a financial cost to the community we
expended approximately sixteen thousand

1444
01:59:33,22 --> 01:59:38,89
dollars in public safety over time funds
between police dispatch and fire.

1445
01:59:40,36 --> 01:59:45,35
Last Saturday to Sunday morning I'd
ask Chief Livingstone now to give

1446
01:59:45,36 --> 01:59:52,24
a brief recap. Of the
events of last Saturday

1447
01:59:53,44 --> 01:59:57,43
or thank you Mr museum. Be brief I have

1448
01:59:57,44 --> 02:00:04,00
a prepared statement that I read from and
then certainly welcome any questions. Any

1449
02:00:04,01 --> 02:00:10,85
of this like Board members have of
the events of March eighth or any

1450
02:00:10,86 --> 02:00:16,68
events for that matter so first. Thank you
to the town manager and for the select

1451
02:00:16,69 --> 02:00:21,46
board for all the public support for the
members of the Amherst police department

1452
02:00:21,92 --> 02:00:24,21
it. Certainly means

1453
02:00:24,23 --> 02:00:31,04
a lot to the rank and file the officers
and we do appreciate that. You know and

1454
02:00:31,17 --> 02:00:35,03
members of the Amherst police department
take great pride representing and serving

1455
02:00:35,05 --> 02:00:41,13
the channel Bammers the action taken by the
officers in the university officers was

1456
02:00:41,14 --> 02:00:46,68
professional and courageous and I think
them as well in addition the outpouring of

1457
02:00:46,69 --> 02:00:51,31
appreciation and support we have received
from the public in the forms of cards

1458
02:00:51,32 --> 02:00:58,24
letters e-mails has been nothing
short of amazing. Very very happy to

1459
02:00:58,25 --> 02:01:03,87
see that from the from the town of citizens.
Specific to March eighth I can assure

1460
02:01:03,88 --> 02:01:04,16
you that

1461
02:01:04,17 --> 02:01:08,07
a great deal of planning had occurred
between the Amherst and university police

1462
02:01:08,08 --> 02:01:12,71
departments given the potential for the
unruly and violent behavior related to this

1463
02:01:12,72 --> 02:01:19,46
Trish traditional hectic weekend in fact
the ongoing dialogue in planning between

1464
02:01:19,47 --> 02:01:25,26
the two departments is not limited to the
blarney blow but takes place nearly in

1465
02:01:26,03 --> 02:01:31,54
many weekends and other traditional
events that we encounter. Members of the

1466
02:01:31,55 --> 02:01:36,34
Amherst police department participate in
many outreach efforts that include members

1467
02:01:36,35 --> 02:01:42,05
of our college community landlords barn
restaurant owners Union University

1468
02:01:42,06 --> 02:01:46,45
administrators and Amherst residents in
an effort to deter the unlawful behaviors

1469
02:01:46,46 --> 02:01:52,26
that disrupt the campus and in our town.
I previously stated the actions taken by

1470
02:01:52,27 --> 02:01:56,63
the members of this department were in
response to destructive and riotous behavior

1471
02:01:57,62 --> 02:02:02,08
that we encountered I completely support
the actions and the responses by my

1472
02:02:02,09 --> 02:02:08,99
officers given the sheer size and assaultive
behavior of the crowds. I have spoken

1473
02:02:08,99 --> 02:02:15,87
to former Boston Police Commissioner Ed
Davis who has been. Retained by the town in

1474
02:02:15,88 --> 02:02:21,05
the university. To review the large scale
disturbances impossible measures that can

1475
02:02:21,06 --> 02:02:24,06
be taken to end them he has
assured me there will be

1476
02:02:24,07 --> 02:02:29,14
a comprehensive review that will include
administrative actions planning messaging

1477
02:02:29,31 --> 02:02:35,29
response and also police manpower issues
and this would not be an investigation of

1478
02:02:35,33 --> 02:02:40,27
any of the police actions. That's the
statement I have and I'd be more than happy

1479
02:02:40,28 --> 02:02:47,27
to answer questions thank you very much
for questions or comments was like. Yeah

1480
02:02:47,28 --> 02:02:50,89
I just wanted to. Spend a moment talking

1481
02:02:50,90 --> 02:02:56,12
a little bit more about where we
go from here sure. First off.

1482
02:02:59,15 --> 02:03:05,83
Appreciating very much Chancellor subs
swamis and university president carets

1483
02:03:06,40 --> 02:03:12,80
strong messages condemning the behavior
and their commitment to punish those

1484
02:03:12,81 --> 02:03:17,83
responsible while continuing to work with
us on strategies to prevent this from

1485
02:03:17,95 --> 02:03:24,68
occurring in the future. It is
clear. That all of us the town the

1486
02:03:24,69 --> 02:03:30,09
university the business community and
others we need to redouble our efforts to

1487
02:03:30,10 --> 02:03:35,59
find solutions the issues go way beyond
humanise and the town of Amherst.

1488
02:03:38,15 --> 02:03:43,35
So I know in my discussions with the
chancellor that he's committed to this effort

1489
02:03:43,35 --> 02:03:49,91
. In attempting to try to figure
out. So that this cycle gets broken.

1490
02:03:55,04 --> 02:04:01,63
I would also applaud the university's
hiring of. Former Boston Police

1491
02:04:01,64 --> 02:04:08,62
Commissioner Ed Davis as chief Livingstone.
Was saying and partnering with

1492
02:04:08,63 --> 02:04:11,58
the town to try to seek
solutions that really is

1493
02:04:11,59 --> 02:04:18,44
a multi-pronged comprehensive approach.
As the chief said. And we have

1494
02:04:18,45 --> 02:04:22,63
said. It's not intended as

1495
02:04:22,64 --> 02:04:26,51
a review of police action
last Saturday but rather as

1496
02:04:26,52 --> 02:04:32,80
a big picture examination of how to prevent
such crowd disturbances from occurring

1497
02:04:33,12 --> 02:04:39,32
and how to handle them if they do
occur. The Chancellor has pledged to

1498
02:04:39,81 --> 02:04:40,21
form

1499
02:04:40,23 --> 02:04:45,89
a task force of university students faculty
staff to look at policies and procedures

1500
02:04:46,10 --> 02:04:52,21
and practices to discourage on really
behavior. The university is consulting

1501
02:04:52,23 --> 02:04:57,68
experts in the psychology of crowd behavior.
To develop improved crowd management

1502
02:04:57,69 --> 02:05:04,40
strategies and they're exploring expanding
their bystander intervention program to

1503
02:05:04,41 --> 02:05:08,97
discourage bad behavior of others at large
gatherings for example if you happen to

1504
02:05:08,98 --> 02:05:11,77
be a student or young person in

1505
02:05:11,78 --> 02:05:16,85
a large group and you're just there hanging
out there strategies you might use to

1506
02:05:16,86 --> 02:05:22,67
discourage others from. Breaking
the law and injuring others.

1507
02:05:24,80 --> 02:05:31,44
So. I think it's fair to say that the
university the town and students I

1508
02:05:31,45 --> 02:05:37,74
think. Most if not all are looking
for better outcomes going forward

1509
02:05:38,04 --> 02:05:44,69
and thank you very much
and so I can't help but

1510
02:05:44,73 --> 02:05:45,43
elaborate just

1511
02:05:45,44 --> 02:05:51,24
a tad on all of this first of all I want
to echo everything that's been said I

1512
02:05:51,25 --> 02:05:55,53
think that the police response last
weekend was extraordinary I have

1513
02:05:55,54 --> 02:06:02,07
a scanner I was listening all day long
and and I couldn't believe both what you

1514
02:06:02,08 --> 02:06:08,76
were dealing with on the ground and the
incredible calmness and back to Calif

1515
02:06:09,19 --> 02:06:15,32
and. Kind of the just the training that
you were falling back on to talk about it

1516
02:06:15,36 --> 02:06:19,55
and that's for all of the officers
involved as well as all of the dispatchers

1517
02:06:19,56 --> 02:06:25,49
involved I am sure I have no doubt that on
the ground the situation was very tense

1518
02:06:26,14 --> 02:06:32,09
there was none of that tension
in the radio traffic this was

1519
02:06:33,04 --> 02:06:38,40
calmly managed and just I felt so proud as

1520
02:06:38,41 --> 02:06:44,47
a citizen and just so happy to know that.
That how it was being handled and I thing

1521
02:06:44,47 --> 02:06:48,86
. That people might think that based on
the tension on the ground that maybe

1522
02:06:48,87 --> 02:06:53,80
there's the sense you know behind the
scenes of oh you know what's happened I got

1523
02:06:53,81 --> 02:06:57,40
to deal with this got to do with it that's
not how it is at all like you guys and

1524
02:06:57,44 --> 02:07:02,05
women know exactly how to handle this and
that came through loud and clear on the

1525
02:07:02,06 --> 02:07:06,82
scanners and I just want you to know that
I really appreciated that and I wish that

1526
02:07:07,05 --> 02:07:11,30
more people could have been exposed to that
because that was just press of as heck

1527
02:07:11,31 --> 02:07:18,29
so thank you. Lee I want to
appreciate the university

1528
02:07:18,30 --> 02:07:25,07
for really taking ownership of the situation
I have personally been pushing for

1529
02:07:25,08 --> 02:07:32,02
a long time for the university to
talk more about these things when

1530
02:07:32,03 --> 02:07:37,20
they happen to acknowledge them to acknowledge
the things all of the many efforts

1531
02:07:37,21 --> 02:07:41,60
as I'm constantly talking about that they're
doing to try and prevent these things

1532
02:07:41,61 --> 02:07:47,53
from happening but also to acknowledge
them when they happen and talk about what

1533
02:07:47,59 --> 02:07:52,20
worked and what didn't work we need to
be really honest about this in order to

1534
02:07:52,45 --> 02:07:58,43
break the the culture and the cycle of
what's happening with these large scale

1535
02:07:58,44 --> 02:08:03,33
disturbances I want to emphasize that if
this were easy to do we would have done it

1536
02:08:03,34 --> 02:08:08,29
a long time ago because these conversations
are not new the phenomenon is growing

1537
02:08:08,33 --> 02:08:15,14
the risk of it is growing I was watching
Twitter stuff all day on Saturday also and

1538
02:08:15,33 --> 02:08:19,82
and Friday night and. Two things were
incredibly disturbing to me one was the

1539
02:08:19,83 --> 02:08:25,30
degree to which folks were coming in from
all over the region for this this is the

1540
02:08:25,31 --> 02:08:31,77
notoriety of this event the degree to which
it has been glamorized has put this on

1541
02:08:31,78 --> 02:08:37,00
the Regional College calendar and so folks
were coming from all over and we know

1542
02:08:37,01 --> 02:08:41,28
that from the arrest records that something
like sixty percent I believe it was of

1543
02:08:41,29 --> 02:08:45,18
the arrestees were not from the University
of Massachusetts so that's correct is

1544
02:08:45,19 --> 02:08:51,28
that correct so it's important to keep
that in perspective. And the other thing

1545
02:08:51,29 --> 02:08:55,73
that was just incredibly alarming to me
is the degree to which it has become

1546
02:08:55,77 --> 02:09:02,63
a rite of passage for some students
to have the dangerous and destructive

1547
02:09:02,89 --> 02:09:05,54
behavior under the umbrella of

1548
02:09:05,55 --> 02:09:12,48
a party raised to rise to the level
at. Police intervention and dispersal

1549
02:09:12,49 --> 02:09:18,22
is needed and that is really really
just so disturbing I mean as

1550
02:09:18,23 --> 02:09:25,13
a society and and that is something that
is beyond which we can deal with what

1551
02:09:25,17 --> 02:09:30,19
with whatever you know silver bullet we
might like to to put it this this is

1552
02:09:30,20 --> 02:09:36,68
a very complicated situation so. So high
praise and gratitude to our public safety

1553
02:09:36,69 --> 02:09:40,65
folks thank you all for what you did
that day and what you do on so very many

1554
02:09:40,66 --> 02:09:47,10
weekends praised to the university they
are trying they are trying all along with

1555
02:09:47,14 --> 02:09:52,52
the town and we are working very hard at
this at multiple levels I will remind us

1556
02:09:52,53 --> 02:09:58,75
that last year at this time we were very
upset because the university did not come

1557
02:09:58,76 --> 02:10:03,60
out and acknowledge as they did not do the
messaging ahead of time that we thought

1558
02:10:03,61 --> 02:10:08,99
was necessary to day to say this will not
be tolerated and they did not come out

1559
02:10:09,00 --> 02:10:13,29
until sometime later last year was saying
this is totally unacceptable that has

1560
02:10:13,30 --> 02:10:13,45
been

1561
02:10:13,46 --> 02:10:19,80
a complete about face and I think that
that's critically necessary in order to tell

1562
02:10:19,93 --> 02:10:24,51
not just the current student community but
potential future students all students

1563
02:10:24,52 --> 02:10:30,36
who might want to come to the university
as visitors to participate in in such

1564
02:10:31,37 --> 02:10:35,44
such disturbances such
so-called events that's

1565
02:10:35,45 --> 02:10:39,01
a very powerful message to send in the
universities now starting to send that

1566
02:10:39,02 --> 02:10:43,50
message loud and clear that is why I sent
the letter to The Globe which I sent

1567
02:10:44,06 --> 02:10:44,45
nearly

1568
02:10:44,46 --> 02:10:50,00
a week ago but didn't get published until
today I want to appreciate that they are

1569
02:10:50,01 --> 02:10:55,22
sending that message that they have heard
us that they that we are on we are

1570
02:10:55,23 --> 02:10:59,05
completely on the same page with how these
things need to move forward all that

1571
02:10:59,06 --> 02:11:03,86
being said we do not have answers we do
not there are no easy answers and we can

1572
02:11:03,87 --> 02:11:07,98
only keep looking at them so I have had
numerous conversations in the past week

1573
02:11:07,99 --> 02:11:14,46
with the chancellor. Who is as Mr he
said he said entirely. On board with us

1574
02:11:14,50 --> 02:11:19,48
about how comprehensively this
needs to be looked at and how

1575
02:11:19,77 --> 02:11:23,20
a former police commissioner
Ed Davis is really a a

1576
02:11:23,31 --> 02:11:29,01
a tremendous resource for us to have as
part of this comprehensive overview.

1577
02:11:30,48 --> 02:11:35,09
So you know this is all about preventing
something like this from happening again

1578
02:11:35,21 --> 02:11:40,08
if something like this happens again and
we have better ways of managing it then

1579
02:11:40,09 --> 02:11:45,12
great but the real goal here is for to not
have these things happen and we cannot

1580
02:11:45,27 --> 02:11:50,01
get distracted by the blarney
blowout with the cute name as

1581
02:11:50,02 --> 02:11:53,30
a standalone event this is not
a standalone event this is

1582
02:11:53,44 --> 02:11:59,06
a risk that happens in all too frequently
in the fall in the spring and it's really

1583
02:11:59,07 --> 02:12:04,45
thanks to great planning by town and
university folks and fantastic and Foresman by

1584
02:12:04,46 --> 02:12:11,32
our public safety folks that doesn't
rise to this level more often so I'm

1585
02:12:11,33 --> 02:12:16,90
done talking for the question the
comments from select more. Mr Hayden Yeah

1586
02:12:16,99 --> 02:12:23,98
a couple of comments one one is an
observation. To support the understanding

1587
02:12:23,99 --> 02:12:27,81
of the complexity of the task to try to
figure out how to prevent this in the

1588
02:12:27,82 --> 02:12:33,18
future and that is that the nature of
this event has changed you know where the

1589
02:12:33,19 --> 02:12:38,11
violence is how it starts seems to change
it's mindif different places different

1590
02:12:38,26 --> 02:12:45,00
nuclei. So you know I
appreciate that. I also wanted

1591
02:12:45,04 --> 02:12:50,96
to. Drag the students
into the discussion. In

1592
02:12:50,97 --> 02:12:57,23
a couple of different ways one is to
appreciate the efforts that we are aware of

1593
02:12:57,27 --> 02:13:00,86
that we know of among the number of

1594
02:13:00,92 --> 02:13:07,84
a social organizations of students
who are doing what they can think

1595
02:13:07,85 --> 02:13:14,82
of what they best can think of
to. Improve their citizenship

1596
02:13:14,98 --> 02:13:18,24
in town. I would point out that

1597
02:13:18,46 --> 02:13:23,02
a lot of the litter that was left over was
picked up by students and that there's

1598
02:13:23,03 --> 02:13:23,94
something we learned about

1599
02:13:23,95 --> 02:13:30,64
a couple of years ago and this is. Along
those lines I'm disappointed I guess

1600
02:13:31,46 --> 02:13:37,49
that the student government. Did not in the
recent public statements that I've read

1601
02:13:37,96 --> 02:13:41,76
represent those students to us but rather

1602
02:13:42,70 --> 02:13:49,35
a small minority of people. Of
their of their constituency

1603
02:13:50,13 --> 02:13:56,70
there was there seems to be an
imbalance in in. Well the public

1604
02:13:56,79 --> 02:14:03,70
iteration of what students are about we're
talking about four thousand students.

1605
02:14:04,74 --> 02:14:08,15
May be half of which are not even from U.

1606
02:14:08,16 --> 02:14:12,58
Mass. There are another twenty
one thousand students at U.

1607
02:14:12,59 --> 02:14:17,21
Mass that many of whom are picking up litter
and doing what they could to help the

1608
02:14:17,22 --> 02:14:18,36
Walk This Way campaign is

1609
02:14:18,37 --> 02:14:21,21
a whole bunch of stuff that they have been
doing and I want to encourage them on

1610
02:14:21,22 --> 02:14:27,06
that and. Hope that they get involved in
figuring out how to end this you know help

1611
02:14:27,10 --> 02:14:33,87
help us and get ahead of it in the
future. And lastly there's been

1612
02:14:33,88 --> 02:14:39,02
a number of mis conceptions about what
happened we've been seeing e-mails they've

1613
02:14:39,03 --> 02:14:45,62
been rescinded we've been seeing all kinds
of stuff in the popular press and I am

1614
02:14:46,64 --> 02:14:53,60
looking forward as as the the
the cases go for and other

1615
02:14:53,78 --> 02:15:00,74
other. Research is done.
To the obvious outcome

1616
02:15:01,07 --> 02:15:07,06
of what they're going to find out and
that is that. Our police acted in

1617
02:15:07,07 --> 02:15:12,56
a completely professional.
Manner and rather like

1618
02:15:12,57 --> 02:15:18,96
a vaccination any discomfort that it
might have imposed at the time is

1619
02:15:18,97 --> 02:15:25,82
vastly outweighed by the
benefits you very much I

1620
02:15:25,84 --> 02:15:28,91
said I want to talk anymore but I know one
more point that I need to make that I

1621
02:15:28,95 --> 02:15:34,80
forgot to make Actually it's two point
one is. Emphasizing your point that the

1622
02:15:34,80 --> 02:15:39,92
nature of this disturbance has changed
it's changed significantly This used to be

1623
02:15:39,92 --> 02:15:43,49
a very small bar promotion
downtown then it turned into

1624
02:15:43,51 --> 02:15:49,05
a big unproblematic bar promotion downtown
and we took steps to address that now it

1625
02:15:49,06 --> 02:15:53,70
barely has anything to do with the bars
downtown it's massive crowd disturbances so

1626
02:15:54,09 --> 02:15:59,63
we need to make sure that. That we're
keeping in mind the dynamic nature of this

1627
02:15:59,83 --> 02:16:05,66
and the fact that it is not it is almost
has nothing to do with bars on that note I

1628
02:16:05,67 --> 02:16:12,60
want to just. Loud and clear the
bars did not open early that day

1629
02:16:13,13 --> 02:16:18,38
the bars never open early for bars to
open early they would need to make

1630
02:16:18,38 --> 02:16:24,84
a request to the select board that has
never happened for this event never. It

1631
02:16:24,85 --> 02:16:26,84
happened for a homecoming a vent

1632
02:16:26,88 --> 02:16:32,31
a couple of years ago no request in anyone's
memory has ever come forward to the

1633
02:16:32,32 --> 02:16:37,37
select board for the precinct Patrick's
Day thing so I want to just be loud and

1634
02:16:37,38 --> 02:16:44,08
clear about that all bars regular licenses
allow them to open bars and restaurants

1635
02:16:44,15 --> 02:16:49,92
at eleven o'clock and that cannot even
be further restricted by the town not

1636
02:16:49,93 --> 02:16:52,74
counting an emergency declaration
or whatever but when you grant

1637
02:16:52,78 --> 02:16:58,00
a license to someone their license the
state allows them minimally to open at

1638
02:16:58,01 --> 02:16:59,68
eleven o'clock so we couldn't make

1639
02:16:59,69 --> 02:17:03,51
a license that said OK you can open at
three o'clock in the afternoon so the bars

1640
02:17:03,52 --> 02:17:06,91
did not open early they did not open early
this time this year they'd have not

1641
02:17:06,92 --> 02:17:12,57
opened early in past years Furthermore
people think that they're open early when

1642
02:17:12,58 --> 02:17:18,75
people are lined up in front of them that
which they do early to try to try and get

1643
02:17:18,76 --> 02:17:22,52
in before the bar reaches capacity and that
was the thing that became the big issue

1644
02:17:22,53 --> 02:17:27,34
a couple years ago Mr Me Santy in the chief
and myself and bar owners work together

1645
02:17:27,55 --> 02:17:33,87
to to keep that from happening and really
that problem is is more or less gone and

1646
02:17:33,88 --> 02:17:37,90
we call it the drunken street festival
atmosphere what was happening downtown like

1647
02:17:38,13 --> 02:17:41,55
all right yes there are still some people
lined up sometimes during the day to get

1648
02:17:41,56 --> 02:17:44,80
into the bars but what we were dealing
with a couple of years ago was

1649
02:17:45,03 --> 02:17:49,19
a lined up at seven or eight o'clock in
the morning kids who are in various To

1650
02:17:49,31 --> 02:17:55,32
levels of intoxication long lines packing
the sidewalks that that was just wrong on

1651
02:17:55,33 --> 02:18:00,31
so many levels so that really has been
addressed successfully unfortunately the.

1652
02:18:00,85 --> 02:18:06,93
Poem has grown and migrated so but I just
want to emphasize the not opening early

1653
02:18:06,94 --> 02:18:12,88
part. Like what other questions or
comments with Berg thank you so much for

1654
02:18:12,89 --> 02:18:16,51
emphasizing that because people have just
been working under the assumption that

1655
02:18:16,52 --> 02:18:20,53
since they saw people who were intoxicated
it must be that they were got

1656
02:18:20,54 --> 02:18:23,01
intoxicated in a place of
business and that's not

1657
02:18:23,05 --> 02:18:27,40
a fact. I've been I've been
working at coming up with

1658
02:18:27,41 --> 02:18:30,65
a soundbite for this and I haven't done
it so I'm just going to have to blurt it

1659
02:18:30,66 --> 02:18:35,78
out but. As we talk about the cultural
changes has been coming up you know

1660
02:18:35,79 --> 02:18:39,15
throughout this conversation all the
conversations we've been having this week and

1661
02:18:39,16 --> 02:18:44,15
as people are reporting to us the changing
nature of this event you know in the

1662
02:18:44,16 --> 02:18:50,21
past people have been concerned about
intoxicated drunken behavior at sporting

1663
02:18:50,22 --> 02:18:57,00
events or when particular sporting event
has a good outcome or a bad outcome or at

1664
02:18:57,01 --> 02:19:03,37
a concert what what seems to be so difficult
to grab about this particular issue

1665
02:19:03,72 --> 02:19:07,71
all the other things we've talked about
is the underlying concept that has become

1666
02:19:07,72 --> 02:19:12,28
popular amongst an extremely small number
of people as we say certainly nowhere

1667
02:19:12,34 --> 02:19:14,91
near a significant population in Mass but

1668
02:19:15,62 --> 02:19:21,01
a very small number of people that getting
intoxicated and walking around is an

1669
02:19:21,02 --> 02:19:26,86
activity that that in and of itself is
an activity to see what will happen as

1670
02:19:26,87 --> 02:19:30,59
opposed to let's go to this music festival
and maybe it will happen to drink too

1671
02:19:30,60 --> 02:19:34,67
much or let's go here and maybe someone
will drink too much this is purely the

1672
02:19:34,68 --> 02:19:39,40
decision to say we are going to be intoxicated
gather in large groups and see what

1673
02:19:39,41 --> 02:19:44,69
happens to us that's just sort of outside
I mean beyond you know some of us

1674
02:19:44,70 --> 02:19:49,61
thinking well geez you know what was our
college experience like it just seems to

1675
02:19:49,62 --> 02:19:55,85
be a national phenomenon that. People are
perceiving as a rite of passage as as

1676
02:19:55,86 --> 02:20:00,74
a normal thing to do amongst a very
small number of people and it is

1677
02:20:00,75 --> 02:20:05,16
a huge challenge to imagine how do
you convince people that that is not

1678
02:20:05,20 --> 02:20:09,27
a valid thing to do people have said Well
well maybe you could have let it go if

1679
02:20:09,28 --> 02:20:12,71
the crowd was only excise or
excise it but again this was

1680
02:20:12,72 --> 02:20:17,15
a crowd that was purely waiting for something
to happen these were people thronging

1681
02:20:17,16 --> 02:20:21,51
in the streets living at the edge of North
Amherst people moving back and forth

1682
02:20:21,52 --> 02:20:27,98
from the university etcetera trying to
find some way to channel their energy and

1683
02:20:30,34 --> 02:20:34,31
creative minds have worked on this will
continue to work on this and really are

1684
02:20:34,43 --> 02:20:39,24
that's why this isn't a solvable problem
immediately because it's not it's not

1685
02:20:39,28 --> 02:20:45,53
a thing getting drunk and walking around
is not an activity one can control except

1686
02:20:45,57 --> 02:20:51,34
by watching to see if Crowd control is
necessary so again wish I could turn it into

1687
02:20:51,35 --> 02:20:56,06
a sound bite but it's figuring out culturally
how to approach that small minority

1688
02:20:56,07 --> 02:21:00,38
of people so that then the crowd doesn't
just grow larger and larger with other

1689
02:21:00,39 --> 02:21:01,46
people thinking oh that's

1690
02:21:01,47 --> 02:21:07,71
a good idea. Because we we simply can't
allow it to happen it's just not safe

1691
02:21:09,38 --> 02:21:15,88
thing else from Slike point this time I
do you think that less is right that the

1692
02:21:15,89 --> 02:21:22,01
whole purpose of this particular
event is to get drunk and that's

1693
02:21:22,05 --> 02:21:26,91
a very sorry situation. But I.

1694
02:21:29,16 --> 02:21:35,21
Added to it is the complexity of the Twitter
and other social media which allows

1695
02:21:35,22 --> 02:21:37,39
the crowds to build in

1696
02:21:37,40 --> 02:21:43,55
a way that probably five years
ago they could. But I think

1697
02:21:44,02 --> 02:21:50,54
that what has to happen has
to be. A combination of

1698
02:21:50,93 --> 02:21:56,83
preventing the selling of liquor preventing
rooms available to out of towners I

1699
02:21:56,84 --> 02:22:02,85
think they have to be much more
stringent controls then the

1700
02:22:02,86 --> 02:22:08,15
university telling the students that
they will be punished that they could be

1701
02:22:08,16 --> 02:22:12,07
suspended that's not anough of

1702
02:22:12,12 --> 02:22:18,32
a. Preventative action I
think that it has to be

1703
02:22:18,33 --> 02:22:25,11
a multi-pronged approach and
it has to be. Much more

1704
02:22:25,16 --> 02:22:30,57
strict than anything that's on the books
right now it'll be interesting to see what

1705
02:22:30,61 --> 02:22:37,23
the police. In the former police chief
says but you know there were the headlines

1706
02:22:37,24 --> 02:22:42,47
about Penn State simply buying out the
liquor store so those days well I don't know

1707
02:22:42,48 --> 02:22:48,38
that we have the money to do that or the
university has the money to do that but I

1708
02:22:48,39 --> 02:22:55,00
think you have to cut back on alcohol you
know we may not be able to prevent it

1709
02:22:55,01 --> 02:23:00,63
completely because people can stock up in
their rooms but I think you can certainly

1710
02:23:00,64 --> 02:23:05,75
reduce the amount and that will reduce
some of the problem but I think it's going

1711
02:23:05,76 --> 02:23:11,67
to take much more and it's got to
be multi faceted approach Thank you

1712
02:23:12,54 --> 02:23:13,21
Mr Walton

1713
02:23:13,96 --> 02:23:19,14
a few things that may be I'll try not to
repeat what's been the said. You know it's

1714
02:23:19,15 --> 02:23:19,42
usually

1715
02:23:19,43 --> 02:23:23,46
a conservative thing to say that the problem
lies in the culture rather than let's

1716
02:23:23,47 --> 02:23:26,50
try larger structural conditions but there's
something to that and I think we have

1717
02:23:26,51 --> 02:23:30,93
made great progress in sending out the
message on the part of the town and the

1718
02:23:30,94 --> 02:23:35,84
university and that is town government
plus the community that certain things are

1719
02:23:35,85 --> 02:23:40,00
not to be tolerated and I would hope that
as they go forward maybe assuming that

1720
02:23:40,01 --> 02:23:44,26
prosecutions result in punishments or
disciplinary action at the university that

1721
02:23:44,27 --> 02:23:45,63
this will be the message to you know as

1722
02:23:45,64 --> 02:23:50,14
a warning before hand this is what happens
to you this is serious don't do this. I

1723
02:23:50,15 --> 02:23:54,95
also understand the impulse to try to curb
sales of alcohol or to limit hotel rooms

1724
02:23:54,96 --> 02:23:58,54
but again I think that's pretty much the
same category as six year minimum wage

1725
02:23:58,55 --> 02:24:03,75
here you know there are certain times of
year when people tend to overindulge and

1726
02:24:03,76 --> 02:24:08,79
that leads to traffic accidents to spousal
abuse sexual assault. If you want to do

1727
02:24:08,80 --> 02:24:12,11
this I'd suggest we ban liquor sales
between Christmas and New Years and

1728
02:24:12,12 --> 02:24:16,82
a few other seasons to. Also again speaking
of the local regional question I did

1729
02:24:16,83 --> 02:24:20,83
little checking around so on the Sunday
after this I went over to liquors forty

1730
02:24:20,84 --> 02:24:24,46
four in Hadley and went back to the Redemption
Center as they call it for better or

1731
02:24:24,47 --> 02:24:30,56
worse one takes the bottles for recycling
and the clerk was overwhelmed with empty

1732
02:24:30,57 --> 02:24:35,08
bottles and told me that one individual
from Barney blow out one individual had

1733
02:24:35,40 --> 02:24:41,33
brought in one hundred seventy one twelve
packs so you can stop all the liquor

1734
02:24:41,34 --> 02:24:45,44
sales you want in Amherst but down the
road in somebody else's business and

1735
02:24:45,45 --> 02:24:49,23
administrative area there's liquor for
sale we're not going to stop that and then

1736
02:24:49,32 --> 02:24:54,36
thirdly again I'd like to reiterate the
praise for the public safety officers

1737
02:24:55,30 --> 02:24:59,19
trying to be careful about this I know I
was disappointed to see as some of you

1738
02:24:59,20 --> 02:25:02,76
were that some of the statements in the
press in the student papers and elsewhere.

1739
02:25:04,75 --> 02:25:09,03
Tended to blame the police to what
happened or accuse the police actually of

1740
02:25:09,04 --> 02:25:14,49
instigating these disturbances saying they
would have happened without the police

1741
02:25:14,93 --> 02:25:18,54
and obviously one reserve complete judgment
until we get the report from Chief

1742
02:25:18,55 --> 02:25:22,36
Davis and others but given what we know
of the professionalism of the police and

1743
02:25:22,37 --> 02:25:27,38
fire and other safety officers I think
the burden of proof is on those who make

1744
02:25:27,39 --> 02:25:31,20
those accusations and we've seen for
example also in the crib and video the way

1745
02:25:31,21 --> 02:25:34,36
there are police are trained to handle
crowds it's not just they go out there and

1746
02:25:34,37 --> 02:25:38,53
do something they're professionally instructed
and how I handle certain situations

1747
02:25:38,54 --> 02:25:44,07
as you've said and also again I warn us
against taking out of context video clips

1748
02:25:44,08 --> 02:25:48,35
with no explanation again all things being
equal I really don't think that Amherst

1749
02:25:48,36 --> 02:25:53,31
police randomly and for no reason arbitrarily
chase down someone and assault that

1750
02:25:53,32 --> 02:25:53,87
person with

1751
02:25:53,88 --> 02:25:57,90
a nightstick or pepper spray something
usually happens before or after that video

1752
02:25:57,91 --> 02:26:01,96
clip and we've seen this nationally and
internationally and again just for

1753
02:26:01,97 --> 02:26:05,94
perspective and then I'll stop. I
grew up in a university town of

1754
02:26:05,95 --> 02:26:10,04
a little kid that was torn apart by riots
of the Vietnam War and there was violence

1755
02:26:10,05 --> 02:26:15,88
on both sides police and students one person
was killed in an attack if you want to

1756
02:26:15,89 --> 02:26:19,08
see real for police brutality you can go
to Turkey you can go to Venezuela so I

1757
02:26:19,09 --> 02:26:25,88
think given the amount of crowd control
that have to be exercised here the numbers

1758
02:26:25,89 --> 02:26:29,18
of people the small number of police compared
to the number of those taking part in

1759
02:26:29,19 --> 02:26:33,25
the disturbances or I should say the
gatherings perhaps I think we came through it

1760
02:26:33,26 --> 02:26:39,99
reasonably well so I'll leave it at
that you very much. Thank you we don't

1761
02:26:40,00 --> 02:26:46,92
clap here actually. I would just
add that. You know the number of

1762
02:26:46,93 --> 02:26:53,88
arrests involved. Last Saturday or
Saturday the eighth. Numbers were

1763
02:26:54,43 --> 02:26:59,84
fifty five some as high as seventy.
Understanding that you know through our

1764
02:26:59,85 --> 02:27:04,17
training intern through the actions of the
police department with incidents such as

1765
02:27:04,18 --> 02:27:11,00
that the individuals who are arrested. Are
the worst of the worst our last resort

1766
02:27:11,01 --> 02:27:15,11
is to make arrests in situations like
that whenever we can and it is it takes

1767
02:27:15,12 --> 02:27:20,17
manpower away from the problem that we're
dealing with so those individuals who are

1768
02:27:20,18 --> 02:27:24,17
charged and arrested are you know absolutely
necessary arrests that are made for

1769
02:27:24,18 --> 02:27:30,88
that and. You know. Fifty five arrests
we could've made five hundred fifty five

1770
02:27:30,89 --> 02:27:36,37
arrest it's just the nature
of the that share crowd and

1771
02:27:36,38 --> 02:27:41,20
a number of hers that we had to deal with
it quite frankly I thought is this is the

1772
02:27:41,21 --> 02:27:46,54
worst it's ever been and the sheer numbers
involved were as bad as it's ever been

1773
02:27:46,55 --> 02:27:52,17
so you know and welcome mean. Former
Commissioner Ed Davis to see where we can go

1774
02:27:52,18 --> 02:27:57,79
from here so thank you thank you and I
think said from the public who haven't

1775
02:27:57,83 --> 02:28:04,30
already spoken on this issue. I'm sorry
you've already spoken of this so is there

1776
02:28:04,31 --> 02:28:07,19
anything else for us to say
on this OK So stay tuned it's

1777
02:28:07,20 --> 02:28:11,80
a really big problem the solutions will
be complicated but we'll keep working

1778
02:28:11,81 --> 02:28:16,57
towards them so thank you thank you
for coming in chief. I'm sorry

1779
02:28:19,17 --> 02:28:22,95
moving right along Miss Burke you are out
of order and I'll have you removed from

1780
02:28:22,96 --> 02:28:29,86
the meeting. While these folks are here.
If you're not careful OK. Moving on

1781
02:28:29,87 --> 02:28:36,29
to N F Y fifteen budget discussion. And
I'll wait for the room to clear ever so

1782
02:28:36,30 --> 02:28:36,73
briefly

1783
02:28:49,26 --> 02:28:50,46
All right so we have the F.B.I.

1784
02:28:50,47 --> 02:28:55,42
Fifteen budget discussion which starts
with an update on budget news state and

1785
02:28:55,43 --> 02:29:02,29
local Mr. Sure and I'll refer you
first on the state level to an

1786
02:29:02,30 --> 02:29:07,33
item in your packet it's the summary from
the mass miscible Association dated March

1787
02:29:07,34 --> 02:29:13,59
twelfth. The legislative leaders in Boston
House and Senate and the rank and file

1788
02:29:14,24 --> 02:29:20,42
adopted. At the urging of local
officials and to their great credit

1789
02:29:21,36 --> 02:29:27,38
in the legislature and early
stated resolution that would.

1790
02:29:28,73 --> 02:29:33,91
Basically stablish is a and
to support it amount of state

1791
02:29:33,92 --> 02:29:40,30
a to be. Shared with cities in towns
and school districts across the state

1792
02:29:41,04 --> 02:29:47,32
and it represents in the two main local aid
accounts. Chapter seven school way and

1793
02:29:47,36 --> 02:29:49,09
unrestricted general government aid

1794
02:29:49,61 --> 02:29:55,68
a total increase of one hundred twenty
five million. That includes twenty five

1795
02:29:55,69 --> 02:30:01,22
million excuse me one hundred million
increase to Chapter seven which is the same

1796
02:30:01,23 --> 02:30:07,78
amount. As recommended by the governor
and his budget and for school

1797
02:30:07,79 --> 02:30:12,58
districts like Amherst which is the
same in about two thirds of the school

1798
02:30:12,59 --> 02:30:18,40
districts across the state we would get
minimum age of twenty five dollars per

1799
02:30:18,41 --> 02:30:25,17
student so. There's no change to us
on that but the but the good news. Is

1800
02:30:25,18 --> 02:30:29,47
that. The legislature now has a record

1801
02:30:29,85 --> 02:30:33,67
a resolution increasing under strict general
government aid by twenty five million

1802
02:30:33,68 --> 02:30:34,30
dollars

1803
02:30:34,72 --> 02:30:40,74
a stay wired to really share with us.
The proceeds that are coming into.

1804
02:30:41,82 --> 02:30:45,46
The state treasury from the lottery and
redistributing it back out to cities and

1805
02:30:45,47 --> 02:30:51,31
towns as unrestricted aid as the law that
created the lottery was established.

1806
02:30:52,36 --> 02:30:58,60
To Amherst. And that's in sharp contrast
to the governor's budget proposal that

1807
02:30:58,61 --> 02:31:05,55
level funded that account. The legislature
is now on record increasing that by

1808
02:31:05,56 --> 02:31:10,59
two point seven percent and that represents
an increase of two hundred two thousand

1809
02:31:10,59 --> 02:31:13,33
. You know under strict a gentleman

1810
02:31:13,34 --> 02:31:19,59
a the Amherst. So that's
very welcome news. That

1811
02:31:20,56 --> 02:31:26,62
coupled with. Actions locally by the

1812
02:31:27,32 --> 02:31:31,19
superintendent and by the Amherst school
committee and Regional School Committee

1813
02:31:31,70 --> 02:31:37,91
last week. The elementary budget recommended
by the school committee is one hundred

1814
02:31:37,92 --> 02:31:43,33
thousand dollars less than was. Below the.

1815
02:31:44,96 --> 02:31:51,09
Target from the preliminary budget
guidelines from the Finance Committee

1816
02:31:51,75 --> 02:31:56,68
and last Tuesday night the Regional
School Committee voted to recommend

1817
02:31:56,69 --> 02:32:03,52
a budget. That has an increase I believe
it's two point one five percent to the

1818
02:32:03,53 --> 02:32:09,77
Amherst assessment and an overall
budget. Increase that's less.

1819
02:32:11,28 --> 02:32:18,08
And is below the targeted amount so
the combination of. Those issues.

1820
02:32:19,98 --> 02:32:26,71
Means that our estimated three hundred
thousand dollars budget gap that was we were

1821
02:32:26,75 --> 02:32:33,62
estimating. After the governor's budget
came out also positively affected by

1822
02:32:33,66 --> 02:32:36,20
some updated figures we have

1823
02:32:36,21 --> 02:32:39,99
a charter school assessments that may we
think will end up lowering the charter

1824
02:32:40,00 --> 02:32:44,56
school assessment from what was in the
preliminary Cherry sheet back in January

1825
02:32:44,95 --> 02:32:50,53
a combination of all of these things
centrally eliminates the projected gap.

1826
02:32:51,94 --> 02:32:56,24
And also. Puts us in

1827
02:32:56,25 --> 02:33:01,34
a position that. Could allow.

1828
02:33:02,61 --> 02:33:06,94
Perhaps another item that was has been
identified in your own plenary budget

1829
02:33:06,95 --> 02:33:12,37
guidelines to me from the select board and
discussion in our budget coordinating

1830
02:33:12,38 --> 02:33:18,78
group about if additional revenue became
available we might consider. Allocating

1831
02:33:18,79 --> 02:33:25,01
additional funds toward our underfunded
capital plan. I know J.C. P.C.

1832
02:33:25,02 --> 02:33:31,45
Talked about that at their meeting this
past week about increasing the allocation

1833
02:33:31,46 --> 02:33:36,79
of revenue to represent seven point five
percent of the tax levy from the current

1834
02:33:36,80 --> 02:33:43,60
year seven percent of the levy. So that
could help our very long list of capital

1835
02:33:43,61 --> 02:33:48,36
needs be addressed sooner
including roads so.

1836
02:33:51,63 --> 02:33:56,51
State and local budget recap in three minutes
or less OK thank you and that's great

1837
02:33:56,52 --> 02:34:01,71
news to get it basically makes us whole
with where we had been with our projections

1838
02:34:01,75 --> 02:34:07,65
it's nice to get good news instead of bad
news as this process goes on. And I think

1839
02:34:07,66 --> 02:34:14,12
we really need to appreciate the folks on
Beacon Hill for hearing the. Cities and

1840
02:34:14,13 --> 02:34:19,57
Towns desiring the both the increase in
the local and the information about the

1841
02:34:20,57 --> 02:34:24,20
local aid resolution sooner rather than
later I mean those are exactly the points

1842
02:34:24,21 --> 02:34:28,62
that we made in our lobbying letter that
the the librarian schools made as well

1843
02:34:29,30 --> 02:34:31,56
they heard us they responded
I'm sure they were getting

1844
02:34:31,81 --> 02:34:37,06
a lot of heat on that from all over the
Commonwealth but that is really very

1845
02:34:37,07 --> 02:34:41,49
important to us for planning and so we
appreciate their responsiveness to that very

1846
02:34:41,50 --> 02:34:45,51
much so that's all good news thank you
question the comments Mr really quickly and

1847
02:34:45,52 --> 02:34:48,35
I can't find the date in front of you but
I think it's two thousand and nine was

1848
02:34:48,36 --> 02:34:49,25
the last time they did

1849
02:34:49,26 --> 02:34:53,65
a local aid resolution early like I think
so to ask for it every year so I think

1850
02:34:53,67 --> 02:34:58,31
you think you know we have to give credit
where credit's due so thank you for the

1851
02:34:58,32 --> 02:35:02,75
questions or comments about the budget
situation Mr much more theoretical you know

1852
02:35:02,76 --> 02:35:07,53
that I'm glad that I would like to continue
to emphasize that that it happened

1853
02:35:07,54 --> 02:35:14,04
early enough is this is unique in many town
meeting members experience that we were

1854
02:35:14,05 --> 02:35:19,76
going to come to town meeting and they want
to know what they did. Where does this

1855
02:35:19,77 --> 02:35:23,76
come from this something that we can begin
to build into our budget or think about

1856
02:35:23,89 --> 02:35:30,42
and maybe maybe that can't be answered
directly dependent on how this was set up by

1857
02:35:30,43 --> 02:35:36,85
the by the. I think it makes sense that
we can build it into our base budget

1858
02:35:37,19 --> 02:35:37,86
because we now have

1859
02:35:37,87 --> 02:35:44,84
a resolution adopted by both branches
of the state legislature that. In

1860
02:35:44,85 --> 02:35:46,92
a worst case scenario is

1861
02:35:46,93 --> 02:35:53,43
a floor. Of the amount of money we shall
receive in the coming year and the fact

1862
02:35:53,44 --> 02:35:59,01
that the unrestricted general government
aid was built into the F Y fifteen.

1863
02:36:00,93 --> 02:36:06,74
Distribution is important to I think gives
us confidence we can build into the base

1864
02:36:07,91 --> 02:36:12,22
which is very different from the additional
appropriation in the fall off which is

1865
02:36:12,23 --> 02:36:16,90
what we were trying to avoid. OK Anything
else on the budget situation question to

1866
02:36:16,91 --> 02:36:19,37
come through and I'm still recalling

1867
02:36:19,38 --> 02:36:26,27
a mid-year cut this not so long ago. OK

1868
02:36:27,22 --> 02:36:31,13
so other questions or comments about our
F Y fifteen budget not related to the

1869
02:36:31,17 --> 02:36:37,82
budget. Moving right along time in his
report thank you. Tom down steering

1870
02:36:37,83 --> 02:36:44,29
committee last week the.
Town down staring committee.

1871
02:36:46,02 --> 02:36:47,56
Deliberated and has offered

1872
02:36:47,57 --> 02:36:51,47
a recommendation to the
chancellor and I on the hiring of

1873
02:36:51,48 --> 02:36:58,41
a consultant the chance for and I will
be reviewing. And discussing this some

1874
02:36:58,42 --> 02:37:04,19
more in the next several days
and we plan to hopefully. Make

1875
02:37:04,20 --> 02:37:09,88
a joint announcement and proceed with
the engagement of the consultant.

1876
02:37:11,44 --> 02:37:16,96
Really as early as next week. The.

1877
02:37:18,39 --> 02:37:21,85
Public Works Committee. Just took

1878
02:37:22,02 --> 02:37:28,21
a commercial. They've had one very thorough
more than one but their March meeting

1879
02:37:28,22 --> 02:37:34,42
was devoted primarily to the Mill Street
bridge design options to figure out what

1880
02:37:34,43 --> 02:37:38,71
to do there they are continuing that
discussion at their April third meeting which

1881
02:37:38,72 --> 02:37:45,60
is at seven o'clock. In this room at town
hall be talking about Mill Street Bridge

1882
02:37:45,61 --> 02:37:51,83
but also quite extensively about
Pine Street design options we are

1883
02:37:52,30 --> 02:37:57,68
proceeding with reconstruction of the street
but there's some more design questions

1884
02:37:57,69 --> 02:38:04,31
related primarily to. Sidewalks
and whether to extend them

1885
02:38:04,35 --> 02:38:09,15
and bike shoulders bike lanes so that's

1886
02:38:09,16 --> 02:38:12,03
a very important meeting on

1887
02:38:12,04 --> 02:38:18,98
a parole third. Updates on ongoing
ISSUES eco village and rowing green

1888
02:38:18,98 --> 02:38:24,85
my update on eco village is very short
there is no update nothing new nothing new

1889
02:38:25,83 --> 02:38:32,49
since my report to you last time I can
tell you that. The Community Preservation

1890
02:38:32,49 --> 02:38:38,55
Act committee will be recommending to
town meeting seven hundred fifty thousand

1891
02:38:38,56 --> 02:38:39,87
dollars C.P.A.

1892
02:38:39,88 --> 02:38:44,94
Funds for privet preservation of
affordable units at rolling green.

1893
02:38:46,35 --> 02:38:49,95
And with bonds that would be issued for

1894
02:38:49,95 --> 02:38:53,22
a minimum of twenty years
and that would be part of

1895
02:38:53,23 --> 02:38:59,48
a much larger package to preserve
affordability at rolling green in perpetuity.

1896
02:39:01,55 --> 02:39:07,67
Staff and I are continuing to
work with. Affordable housing

1897
02:39:07,71 --> 02:39:14,55
preservation. Entities. In an attempt to

1898
02:39:15,36 --> 02:39:15,97
come up with

1899
02:39:15,98 --> 02:39:22,66
a long term preservation option for rolling
green I remain optimistic on that.

1900
02:39:23,93 --> 02:39:30,67
And that is ongoing and active. Next

1901
02:39:30,82 --> 02:39:37,33
staff recognitions you know
and. Just reiterating.

1902
02:39:38,63 --> 02:39:44,91
Many many thanks and words of gratitude for
all of the men and women in our police

1903
02:39:44,92 --> 02:39:51,44
department fire department public safety
dispatch for their outstanding work

1904
02:39:51,87 --> 02:39:58,83
dealing with the precinct Patrick's Day
disturbances you know also thinking you

1905
02:39:58,84 --> 02:40:04,66
mass police and the Mass State
Police for their their assistance I

1906
02:40:08,08 --> 02:40:14,46
can't speak highly enough about
that. Recent and upcoming activity.

1907
02:40:16,39 --> 02:40:22,18
We've talked enough about last weekend
perhaps for this moment but on March tenth.

1908
02:40:25,09 --> 02:40:28,75
I joined some of you as a waiter as

1909
02:40:29,08 --> 02:40:34,53
a hammer survival center empty bowls
fundraiser at the pub I know they sold out the

1910
02:40:34,54 --> 02:40:41,16
event big fundraiser for him or survival
center. Great cause great outpouring from

1911
02:40:41,17 --> 02:40:47,75
the community there. I can tell you
that I've begun discussions with the.

1912
02:40:49,23 --> 02:40:51,38
Business Improvement District about

1913
02:40:51,39 --> 02:40:57,09
a successor and know you that would become
effective for the fiscal year beginning

1914
02:40:57,10 --> 02:41:03,89
in July. And. Proceeding on
that using the same basic

1915
02:41:03,90 --> 02:41:09,59
template but we're going to walk
through that piece by piece. D.P.W.

1916
02:41:09,59 --> 02:41:16,22
. Plans to be completing installation
as early as this week with the

1917
02:41:16,23 --> 02:41:23,12
remaining ele the street lights. As part
of our three hundred thousand dollar green

1918
02:41:23,13 --> 02:41:29,90
community state grant that's the and the
high energy efficient. Street lights

1919
02:41:30,18 --> 02:41:35,22
all over town so we're hoping to have it
totally finished in one in the coming few

1920
02:41:35,23 --> 02:41:39,57
days and then I want to come
back to you would D.P.W.

1921
02:41:39,59 --> 02:41:41,00
At a future meeting and kind of give you

1922
02:41:41,02 --> 02:41:47,37
a recap of what we're now beginning
to see in terms of. Decreased.

1923
02:41:48,63 --> 02:41:55,44
Electricity use and budget savings and.
Also getting good feedback so far from the

1924
02:41:55,45 --> 02:42:02,35
community about the. Caliber of the
lighting in the static six that are.

1925
02:42:04,65 --> 02:42:11,20
Next week on the twenty fourth. We
will be having our warrant review

1926
02:42:11,21 --> 02:42:17,89
meeting with the moderator select board
finance committee representatives. And

1927
02:42:18,03 --> 02:42:24,97
town staff the town council. To really
begin looking at language for articles

1928
02:42:24,98 --> 02:42:29,28
for the spring town meeting and at
your next meeting. That will be

1929
02:42:29,29 --> 02:42:34,69
a key agenda item will be presented
to you for your signature.

1930
02:42:37,54 --> 02:42:44,41
And then lastly. Briefly Ritter what I
said in the every reception prior to

1931
02:42:45,13 --> 02:42:51,83
the meeting tonight. A packed hall in this
room of community members came out to

1932
02:42:51,87 --> 02:42:56,86
thank. Diana Stein and
Stephanie O'Keefe for their

1933
02:42:58,36 --> 02:43:05,09
service. On the select Forest
one of the. Thank you both

1934
02:43:05,10 --> 02:43:06,43
again it's been

1935
02:43:06,44 --> 02:43:12,59
a real personal and professional pleasure
to work with each of you and the town is

1936
02:43:12,60 --> 02:43:18,35
a much better place by virtue of the
fact that you. You've served and just

1937
02:43:19,66 --> 02:43:23,81
thank you very very much OK

1938
02:43:23,82 --> 02:43:29,64
a question or comment on the Tell Me and
report. Just to add on to what the manager

1939
02:43:29,71 --> 02:43:33,48
said about the reception I want to again
thank all the town staff who helped

1940
02:43:33,49 --> 02:43:36,79
contribute to making the reception work
out whether it was ordering the food

1941
02:43:36,80 --> 02:43:41,97
rearranging the room making the great slide
show or braiding all sorts of donated

1942
02:43:41,99 --> 02:43:47,04
slides from a variety of sources helping
design the plaques that we thought were

1943
02:43:47,13 --> 02:43:52,72
a very small token of our appreciation and
I just reminded another body that they

1944
02:43:52,74 --> 02:43:57,24
needed to say nice things about their
members at their final meeting and well we

1945
02:43:57,25 --> 02:44:03,22
already did that at the reception but still.
Thank you both and I know that to the

1946
02:44:03,24 --> 02:44:09,77
time is ticking and just since that
wasn't on camera and the Says. I have

1947
02:44:09,79 --> 02:44:14,28
no idea why I'm still coming back after
the twenty fifth when it comes right down

1948
02:44:14,29 --> 02:44:15,100
to it so it's been it's been

1949
02:44:16,01 --> 02:44:20,05
a real pleasure working with both of you
so thank you very much thank you very much

1950
02:44:20,05 --> 02:44:24,89
. Other questions or comments on the
tell managers your point Mr. On the Town

1951
02:44:24,90 --> 02:44:29,75
Manager port to just one of the on the.

1952
02:44:31,82 --> 02:44:38,78
Mill River Bridge I just wanted to
I went to the last hearing. And I

1953
02:44:38,79 --> 02:44:43,44
just wanted to appreciate the
work on that they did run

1954
02:44:43,45 --> 02:44:48,96
a very nice meeting. They
went so far as to invite

1955
02:44:49,49 --> 02:44:55,25
a guest Moderator Mr Priest rang. It was
there to make sure that everybody was able

1956
02:44:55,26 --> 02:44:59,28
to get their three minutes
worth. And I think that they did

1957
02:44:59,29 --> 02:45:05,21
a good job of collecting information.
Incorporating it with information they got

1958
02:45:05,37 --> 02:45:10,13
a month earlier in their earlier hearing
which some of which is contradictory and

1959
02:45:10,14 --> 02:45:14,18
a little bit difficult to tease
through and I think they came up with

1960
02:45:14,19 --> 02:45:19,22
a very good. Very clear resolution at the
end of all of that last one we appreciate

1961
02:45:19,22 --> 02:45:26,08
. Thank you very much for the question the
comments from Mr music all right then

1962
02:45:26,26 --> 02:45:32,50
member reports liaison and I presented
it reports last night I just

1963
02:45:33,32 --> 02:45:35,03
the agricultural Commission didn't have

1964
02:45:35,04 --> 02:45:38,17
a corms I didn't go to that but
the Board of Health did have

1965
02:45:38,18 --> 02:45:43,68
a meeting and it was fascinating so. I'd
like to tell you four things that came out

1966
02:45:43,69 --> 02:45:49,04
of it but very briefly one is that
they are giving a commendation to

1967
02:45:49,05 --> 02:45:50,22
a woman who saved

1968
02:45:50,23 --> 02:45:57,18
a man's life because he became
he was choking at rafters and

1969
02:45:57,19 --> 02:46:01,72
she stepped forward is apparently just
someone there who knew how to do the

1970
02:46:01,73 --> 02:46:06,35
Heimlich maneuver and was actually able
to save his life and then she was so

1971
02:46:06,36 --> 02:46:12,96
overwhelmed she. So it's very
touching and yet amazing

1972
02:46:13,94 --> 02:46:17,25
Another was that we had
the Board of Health had

1973
02:46:17,26 --> 02:46:23,44
a crowd of about thirty or forty people
speaking to whether Amor she continued to

1974
02:46:23,45 --> 02:46:29,68
floor to put fluoride in the water
and know it or not they said

1975
02:46:30,68 --> 02:46:36,65
some of them said that there was new
evidence that would argue against it there

1976
02:46:36,66 --> 02:46:43,46
were dentists there who argue very forcibly
for continuing fluoridation saying

1977
02:46:43,51 --> 02:46:50,17
that the impact that it's had on the health
of our community has been enormous. And

1978
02:46:50,18 --> 02:46:56,97
that the literature that's out there does
not support abandoning fluoridation the

1979
02:46:56,98 --> 02:47:02,08
third thing is that Hampshire
College wants to build

1980
02:47:02,12 --> 02:47:09,09
a. Living Building for their campus

1981
02:47:09,32 --> 02:47:15,31
portal project and what this means is
that the building would be entirely.

1982
02:47:16,33 --> 02:47:23,01
Able to recycle water and waste
and so there would be no input

1983
02:47:23,42 --> 02:47:29,96
to the building and from the
community in terms of water or sewer

1984
02:47:30,89 --> 02:47:37,59
coming out and that's Mr
moring was there because.

1985
02:47:39,30 --> 02:47:45,76
It's been the policy of the town
to if there is water and sewer

1986
02:47:45,77 --> 02:47:51,73
available that the institutions or private

1987
02:47:52,31 --> 02:47:55,00
homes would connect and so here is

1988
02:47:55,01 --> 02:48:00,48
a situation where they wouldn't and
so they're working together the.

1989
02:48:02,18 --> 02:48:08,26
Department of Public Works and Hampshire
College to try to make this work but it's

1990
02:48:08,30 --> 02:48:14,95
a very new idea. Though And it's not
I think airshows not the only one

1991
02:48:14,96 --> 02:48:16,49
trying this I think there may be

1992
02:48:16,50 --> 02:48:22,57
a similar building going on somewhere else
but that too has to work out be worked

1993
02:48:22,58 --> 02:48:28,49
out in the last thing is that
they are. There is going to be

1994
02:48:28,53 --> 02:48:35,24
a shelter. Set up that
will run for. Twelve

1995
02:48:35,28 --> 02:48:41,30
noon on Thursday April tenth
through to the next morning.

1996
02:48:42,79 --> 02:48:44,90
Of simulating

1997
02:48:45,18 --> 02:48:51,98
a catastrophic event setting up. There's
shelter to take care of and deal with the

1998
02:48:51,99 --> 02:48:58,18
injuries and so forth that would occur
or could occur during catastrophic event

1999
02:48:58,54 --> 02:49:04,37
so that the planning for that is very
interesting and so would it be to participate

2000
02:49:04,38 --> 02:49:10,32
where the so that's that's what happened
at the Board of Health thank you any

2001
02:49:10,33 --> 02:49:15,86
questions or comments from Stein and
word of mouth no I'm sorry Mr rain.

2002
02:49:17,43 --> 02:49:20,61
I just want to also be
appreciative for the T.M.C.

2003
02:49:20,62 --> 02:49:24,93
See getting out as they did so quickly the
Warren article for their for tomorrow

2004
02:49:25,70 --> 02:49:31,82
the meeting. Also. The rules about

2005
02:49:32,71 --> 02:49:39,59
who can throw. Compostable garbage
into the garbage and who may not

2006
02:49:39,62 --> 02:49:44,28
is changing and large generators of food
scraps and the like will not be allowed to

2007
02:49:44,30 --> 02:49:49,76
do that. In response to the recycling and
refuse mention a committee is organizing

2008
02:49:49,80 --> 02:49:56,56
a. A regional compost expert a
wonderful title to come and make

2009
02:49:56,57 --> 02:50:02,02
a presentation in this room about regional
composting on March twentieth seven

2010
02:50:02,03 --> 02:50:08,32
o'clock so. For your garbage aficionados
please do come it's going to become more

2011
02:50:08,34 --> 02:50:12,51
and more important as time goes on. Thank
you question your comments restraint.

2012
02:50:13,93 --> 02:50:20,11
Most of all that. I was going to leave
it all to Miss Stein or her. Performance

2013
02:50:20,12 --> 02:50:21,97
here. But just

2014
02:50:21,98 --> 02:50:26,21
a few words about the joint capital planning
committee Mr Miyagi in effect covered

2015
02:50:26,22 --> 02:50:29,67
that by mentioning the budget situation
so that what that means is that we can

2016
02:50:29,68 --> 02:50:33,47
actually put some extra things back in and
one of the most exciting proposals to

2017
02:50:33,48 --> 02:50:37,34
get an electric vehicle that could be used
by town staff for example ninety and so

2018
02:50:37,35 --> 02:50:40,39
forth through back and forth and that was
interesting questions about the charging

2019
02:50:40,40 --> 02:50:44,10
station and where to put it in public as
an accessibility but that's also very

2020
02:50:44,11 --> 02:50:47,62
exciting news on the budget and environmental
front and we're moving ahead then to

2021
02:50:47,63 --> 02:50:50,74
a consideration in ranking of their
proposals really coming up in the next week

2022
02:50:50,75 --> 02:50:54,27
maybe two if it takes that long but the
other thing is that with this kind of.

2023
02:50:56,30 --> 02:51:01,58
Let's call it budgetary latitude now we'd
like to go ahead and recommend increasing

2024
02:51:01,87 --> 02:51:03,46
the capital Levy to

2025
02:51:03,47 --> 02:51:08,16
a seven point five percent of the seven
point five percent of the tax levy as you

2026
02:51:08,17 --> 02:51:11,76
know the target is ten which we've never
been near and we've been around seven for

2027
02:51:11,77 --> 02:51:14,62
the time being so at the moment it looks
sustainable in the long run and we'll

2028
02:51:14,72 --> 02:51:18,32
obviously we'll have to see going forward
how that develops but that's the upshot

2029
02:51:18,85 --> 02:51:20,41
thank you very much so is that

2030
02:51:20,42 --> 02:51:23,94
a specific question that's going to be
brought to select border that will be part

2031
02:51:23,95 --> 02:51:25,43
of the overall J.C. P.C.

2032
02:51:25,79 --> 02:51:31,19
Recommendation as to what.
Is funded with it yeah it's

2033
02:51:31,20 --> 02:51:36,73
a good question to separate It's the report
is not yet written so. That I mean it

2034
02:51:36,74 --> 02:51:42,14
will be probably like previous years when
there's sort of some ifs and built into

2035
02:51:42,15 --> 02:51:45,08
it and if we get more
than you would fund to X.

2036
02:51:45,12 --> 02:51:49,29
Amount of capital I mean the plan right
now is to commit to the seven point five

2037
02:51:49,30 --> 02:51:54,44
percent raise I don't know if that will
be just there's Oxford's program or Mr

2038
02:51:54,45 --> 02:52:00,67
Poole or oh there's. I'll be brief.

2039
02:52:01,89 --> 02:52:03,17
So the J.C. P.C.

2040
02:52:03,18 --> 02:52:09,23
I predict will recommend going to the
seven point five percent level. That.

2041
02:52:10,59 --> 02:52:14,80
Will then be given to the manager as
recommendation the Manch makes his

2042
02:52:14,81 --> 02:52:20,30
recommendation to ten meaning I think the
issue of allocating this additional state

2043
02:52:20,31 --> 02:52:24,49
aid to capital is I would at
soon something that the B.C.G.

2044
02:52:24,50 --> 02:52:30,41
Would touch upon and that the Finance
Committee and the like Board would upon on

2045
02:52:30,51 --> 02:52:32,85
but because it is obviously

2046
02:52:32,86 --> 02:52:36,91
a change in the assumptions that we've had
for the last couple months so I think

2047
02:52:36,92 --> 02:52:41,57
that's where we are in the process OK

2048
02:52:41,78 --> 02:52:45,41
a question or comment Mr mean
at the risk of backtracking

2049
02:52:45,42 --> 02:52:46,53
a little but I want to backtrack

2050
02:52:46,54 --> 02:52:52,65
a little bit to talk about the L E D
lights I don't know while the project to

2051
02:52:52,66 --> 02:52:57,30
convert all of the lights that are owned
and maintained by the town has been

2052
02:52:57,31 --> 02:53:00,18
completed they are all converted
to the lights there are

2053
02:53:00,19 --> 02:53:05,88
a number of high pressure sodium yellowish
looking lights still left those are not

2054
02:53:05,89 --> 02:53:11,63
ours those are owned by Western Mass
electric rented by by people I spoke with

2055
02:53:11,64 --> 02:53:16,66
Western Mass electric trying to get them
to stop selling those and start selling

2056
02:53:17,04 --> 02:53:20,49
L.E.D. Lights but we'll see how that turns
out so don't be surprised if you see

2057
02:53:20,50 --> 02:53:23,65
a couple of yellow lights sort of mixed
in with the beautiful white ones that's

2058
02:53:23,66 --> 02:53:30,54
a good point to make Thank you all right
other ways and reports Mr he really

2059
02:53:30,55 --> 02:53:35,19
she's not going to save you. Actually this
goes back to the to manage this report I

2060
02:53:35,20 --> 02:53:38,69
don't think you mentioned amongst the many
many many important things you mentioned

2061
02:53:38,99 --> 02:53:39,91
that the P.T.A.

2062
02:53:39,92 --> 02:53:45,51
Hearing for that's being held in Amherst
as the new series of hearings amongst all

2063
02:53:45,52 --> 02:53:49,06
the other series of hearings they've been
holding but the one that's in Emerson was

2064
02:53:49,07 --> 02:53:54,74
just in the paper today as being April
fourteenth from four to seven pm here in

2065
02:53:54,75 --> 02:53:58,38
this room as well it's often the bank
center but it's going to be here. So that's

2066
02:53:58,39 --> 02:54:01,73
April fourteenth for people who are
interested in all the work they've been doing

2067
02:54:01,74 --> 02:54:05,67
associated with the routes we've seen
extensive materials on our packets etc

2068
02:54:05,68 --> 02:54:09,51
associated with that so that's the next
step and of course the larger cities are

2069
02:54:09,55 --> 02:54:14,44
having multiple that's the one that's being
held in Amherst and that information

2070
02:54:14,45 --> 02:54:17,07
I'm sure will be on the town website
just like the Public Works Committee

2071
02:54:17,08 --> 02:54:21,57
information about the bridge is already
on the website because that's incredibly

2072
02:54:21,58 --> 02:54:27,82
useful to know. Other reports. Me

2073
02:54:28,27 --> 02:54:32,07
quickly two important fundraisers that are
coming up for the Council on Aging in

2074
02:54:32,08 --> 02:54:37,08
the senior center one is tomorrow night
that is Tuesday the eighteenth at Bertucci

2075
02:54:37,52 --> 02:54:44,30
from four o'clock pm to nine pm
fifteen percent of meals bought

2076
02:54:44,82 --> 02:54:48,98
that night this is the thing that were to
choose does the fifteen percent of that

2077
02:54:48,99 --> 02:54:52,79
would go to the senior center you do need
to have the coupon for the event which

2078
02:54:52,80 --> 02:54:56,98
will be available there but if folks are
interested in participating in that that

2079
02:54:56,99 --> 02:55:02,73
is tomorrow the eighteenth from four to
nine and the much bigger fundraiser for

2080
02:55:02,74 --> 02:55:06,95
them is their Amherst follies
event and this is going to be

2081
02:55:06,96 --> 02:55:12,06
a Buckley recital hall at Amherst College
this is on Sunday March twenty third at

2082
02:55:12,10 --> 02:55:18,01
two pm. The tickets are fifteen dollars
for adults and seven dollars for children

2083
02:55:18,24 --> 02:55:22,02
they are available at the Senior Center and
at Hastings they will also be available

2084
02:55:22,03 --> 02:55:23,46
at the door this is

2085
02:55:23,47 --> 02:55:29,56
a very big very professionally created event
that raises significant money for the

2086
02:55:29,57 --> 02:55:30,14
friends of the M.

2087
02:55:30,15 --> 02:55:34,02
Or senior center and so I would encourage
people to attend if they have that

2088
02:55:34,03 --> 02:55:40,66
opportunity. Following up on something Mr
Sandy said about the town down steering

2089
02:55:40,67 --> 02:55:43,74
committee that committee did
meet last Tuesday come to

2090
02:55:43,78 --> 02:55:50,24
a VERY END overwhelmingly.
Support of vote to

2091
02:55:50,25 --> 02:55:54,99
recommend one of the particular consultants
on the I we heard nothing but praise

2092
02:55:54,100 --> 02:56:00,08
from the public on the process how well
that went the public comment was almost

2093
02:56:00,09 --> 02:56:05,68
entirely for the for the consultant that
we overwhelmingly supported as well and

2094
02:56:05,69 --> 02:56:09,96
that process is going to continue
to go forward after the P.

2095
02:56:09,97 --> 02:56:11,05
Is awarded there will be

2096
02:56:11,06 --> 02:56:17,71
a timeline with next steps on that I am the
town manager is one of the top managers

2097
02:56:17,72 --> 02:56:23,07
appointees to that committee and Mr Me said
he has asked me to stay on with that so

2098
02:56:23,26 --> 02:56:25,61
however many. Months
That last that will be

2099
02:56:25,88 --> 02:56:32,22
a time you keep seeing me or hearing from
history. That's not what we talked about

2100
02:56:32,22 --> 02:56:38,71
. But just so folks know about that OK let's
see before we get to the chairs report

2101
02:56:38,72 --> 02:56:38,99
we've got

2102
02:56:39,00 --> 02:56:42,00
a couple of other things to do so first of
all we're going to do the special liquor

2103
02:56:42,01 --> 02:56:45,92
licenses then we'll do the minutes and
then we'll talk with me about I hope it's

2104
02:56:45,93 --> 02:56:50,73
quickly about the appointed committee
handbook that we received today so first

2105
02:56:51,35 --> 02:56:56,80
especially good license. I believe that
the celeb order proves special wine and

2106
02:56:56,81 --> 02:57:03,05
malt licenses for twenty one and over pub
nights to be held from seven pm to one am

2107
02:57:03,06 --> 02:57:09,96
April third tenth seventeenth and twenty
fourth. Of two thousand and fourteen

2108
02:57:09,97 --> 02:57:15,27
and May first two thousand and fourteen
on the premises of Schwab's coffeehouse

2109
02:57:15,50 --> 02:57:21,87
teef campus center avarice college carles
Thompson dining services director second

2110
02:57:21,87 --> 02:57:28,17
. Question favor say aye I had some animals
I move that the select board approved

2111
02:57:28,18 --> 02:57:33,38
a special wine and law license for
biodynamic farm land conservation trust

2112
02:57:33,39 --> 02:57:39,84
incorporated during business as Brookfield
farm to be held from eight pm to twelve

2113
02:57:39,85 --> 02:57:43,29
midnight March twenty ninth
two thousand and fourteen for

2114
02:57:43,30 --> 02:57:48,39
a benefit dance party on the premises of
the Jewish community of Amherst social

2115
02:57:48,40 --> 02:57:52,81
hall seven forty two
main street Amherst him

2116
02:57:52,82 --> 02:57:59,55
a Dan Kaplan manager second question
no Versailles. It's madness I

2117
02:57:59,56 --> 02:58:01,27
moved at the slip board approve

2118
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a special one in mall license for top of
the campus incorporated for concession

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sales about her auditorium you Mass Amherst
from six thirty pm to seven thirty

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pm March twelfth two thousand and fourteen
Judy Bardwell clerk second on this

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02:58:18,96 --> 02:58:24,63
question on favors I I I move that the
select board approves special wine and

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02:58:24,95 --> 02:58:30,77
licenses for top of the campus incorporated
to be held from six thirty pm to seven

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02:58:30,78 --> 02:58:37,54
pm March twenty sixth two thousand and
fourteen and from five pm to seven

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02:58:37,55 --> 02:58:42,91
pm April fifteenth two thousand and fourteen
for reception to be held in the Fine

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02:58:42,92 --> 02:58:49,35
Arts Center slash Museum of Contemporary
Art new Mass Amherst Judy Bardwell Clark

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02:58:49,39 --> 02:58:54,38
so I can hear the discussion paper say
I think. That's you know I moved that

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02:58:54,39 --> 02:58:56,25
disliked board approved a special want

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02:58:56,26 --> 02:59:02,13
a license for top of the campus incorporated
to be held from five pm to six thirty

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02:59:02,14 --> 02:59:07,89
pm April seventeenth two thousand and
fourteen for reception to be held in the eyes

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02:59:07,90 --> 02:59:10,81
and. School of Management atrium U.

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02:59:10,82 --> 02:59:15,85
Mass Amherst duty board will clerk so I can
write those question down better say I

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02:59:16,30 --> 02:59:19,16
I know that's you know I move
that the select board approved

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02:59:19,17 --> 02:59:25,33
a special all alcoholic license for top of
the campus incorporated from five pm to

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02:59:25,34 --> 02:59:30,87
seven pm on May eighth two thousand and
fourteen her reception to be held in her

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02:59:30,88 --> 02:59:37,88
hall second floor at next you Mass Amherst
Judy Bardwell clerk Zach discussion

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02:59:37,89 --> 02:59:43,08
Mr I just want to mention to the listening
audience that just as Mr Waldman earlier

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02:59:43,09 --> 02:59:45,13
tonight in terms of starting
the evening out with

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02:59:45,14 --> 02:59:49,69
a number of liquor licenses we are not
immune to the irony associated with the fact

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02:59:49,70 --> 02:59:55,56
that adults like to have alcohol at their
events especially fundraisers so we we do

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02:59:55,57 --> 03:00:01,88
appreciate that this is like she did thank
you for the discussion favor say aye

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03:00:02,23 --> 03:00:06,85
Hi ho hi ho it's you know it's I
move that this life or to prove

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03:00:06,86 --> 03:00:12,88
a special one I'm all I sins for Terry for
that Cherry Hill Golf Course three two

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03:00:12,89 --> 03:00:18,63
three month to you Road Amherst March twenty
second two thousand and fourteen from

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03:00:18,64 --> 03:00:20,95
twelve pm to eight thirty pm for

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03:00:20,96 --> 03:00:27,94
a Disc Golf Classic Tournament Barber built
manager so I can buy his question in

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03:00:27,95 --> 03:00:32,08
favor say aye aye right that's
unanimous OK now we've got minutes.

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03:00:34,66 --> 03:00:38,42
Folks feel prepared to deal
with the minutes good this time

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03:00:38,43 --> 03:00:45,10
a commotion. I thought the minutes
were very good I did find some.

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03:00:46,19 --> 03:00:52,66
Small typos in the first set
which were from Nov sixteenth

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03:00:52,74 --> 03:00:59,22
a couple in the Nov eighth. And I thought
this was very funny found one in my own

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03:00:59,23 --> 03:01:06,15
minutes from September
thirtieth. All right Hallett are

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03:01:06,16 --> 03:01:11,01
fine with typos and we'll be
right doesn't it we'll be eggs.

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03:01:13,09 --> 03:01:16,64
All right so let's see if I
can do this well was there

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03:01:16,65 --> 03:01:23,51
a motion for this or an ice Yeah OK all
right but I want I should break it

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03:01:23,52 --> 03:01:27,68
into two parts or just say they're all
as amended How would you like to have

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03:01:27,69 --> 03:01:32,56
leisure OK I move that the select board
approve the minutes of September thirtieth

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03:01:32,57 --> 03:01:38,29
two thousand and thirteen Nov sixteenth
two thousand and thirteen Nov eighteenth

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03:01:38,34 --> 03:01:42,90
two thousand and thirteen December third
two thousand and thirteen December fourth

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03:01:43,21 --> 03:01:48,53
two thousand and thirteen and December fifth
two thousand and thirteen as presented

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03:01:48,57 --> 03:01:53,99
or amended second. QUESTION Mr Hayden I
just want to point out that some of these

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03:01:54,00 --> 03:01:58,90
minutes are unusual as they were for meetings
that we called so we could all attend

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03:01:58,94 --> 03:02:05,14
another meeting planning board housing.
As one other one regional school degrees

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03:02:05,15 --> 03:02:09,89
school that's right so it may not look like
the normal minutes because they aren't

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03:02:10,24 --> 03:02:14,88
right for the discussion
favor say aye. That's not

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03:02:14,89 --> 03:02:20,36
a myth. All kidding let's see so before we
get the chairs report then mistimed has

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03:02:20,43 --> 03:02:26,20
provided the appointed committee handbook
to us with some. Couple of minor

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03:02:26,21 --> 03:02:31,02
revisions to us and I are both very much
in the mode of trying to tie up loose ends

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03:02:31,18 --> 03:02:34,52
so I would like to be able to tie up this
loose and if it's possible Did folks have

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03:02:34,53 --> 03:02:40,62
a chance to look at the edits which were
minor to the document the Mr May I say

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03:02:40,63 --> 03:02:47,47
a word or two certainly OK. In September
two thousand and eleven we had

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03:02:47,64 --> 03:02:51,70
by that time we had put in months
and months and months of work on

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03:02:51,76 --> 03:02:57,77
a you appointed committee handbook we
then posted it online and asked for

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03:02:58,48 --> 03:03:05,45
comments from others we received
four stats of comments one of which

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03:03:05,46 --> 03:03:06,06
was from

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03:03:06,07 --> 03:03:12,15
a member of our scheme board but the other
three were from other people. Three of

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03:03:12,16 --> 03:03:18,50
those sets of comments I have
tried to hard to include in this

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03:03:18,54 --> 03:03:23,28
revised edition of the
book the fourth set is

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03:03:23,32 --> 03:03:25,76
a letter. From

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03:03:26,48 --> 03:03:33,33
a lawyer. Lawyer Howland that
I really wasn't sure how to

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03:03:33,34 --> 03:03:40,05
deal with so what I have for you
tonight is in the handbook you will

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03:03:40,06 --> 03:03:46,72
see everything that I put it in
red and provided. For you on one

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03:03:46,73 --> 03:03:53,64
single sheet by. Google is
the sections that have been

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03:03:53,65 --> 03:04:00,03
modified so you don't have to
go very far for example page

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03:04:00,04 --> 03:04:06,73
two the section is marked appointment
What's the lack on the sheet

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03:04:07,11 --> 03:04:13,94
is the original what's been added is
the read OK and I don't think you

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03:04:13,95 --> 03:04:14,56
need to make

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03:04:14,57 --> 03:04:21,00
a decision on these I'm perfectly happy to
hand this over to whoever the new select

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03:04:21,12 --> 03:04:28,12
board will be after the election but
I just felt that this brought. From

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03:04:28,99 --> 03:04:29,45
this to

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03:04:29,46 --> 03:04:35,37
a status factory conclusion from my perspective
having worked on it from the beginning

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03:04:36,27 --> 03:04:43,17
so I think people need to perhaps
have time to digest it. Some

2192
03:04:43,18 --> 03:04:48,97
of it was. Putting in our
current status on remote.

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03:04:50,16 --> 03:04:54,30
Participation and or changing what

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03:04:54,34 --> 03:05:01,26
a quorum was that when we originally
wrote this it was an uncertain what the

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03:05:01,27 --> 03:05:06,82
attorney general's office would say but
I do not claim that I have gone through

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03:05:06,83 --> 03:05:13,07
this again from cover to last page to
know that I've caught all of those

2197
03:05:13,42 --> 03:05:18,01
things which are no longer timely so it
would certainly be good for the new select

2198
03:05:18,02 --> 03:05:23,14
board to go through this and make the
decision about the suggested changes and also

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03:05:23,15 --> 03:05:27,04
to see if there are other things they wish
to change OK thank you I think that's

2200
03:05:27,05 --> 03:05:29,91
a good idea so the next like Board
can look at this it's it's in

2201
03:05:29,92 --> 03:05:33,14
a form that is easy to deal with if any
of us who aren't going to be on this like

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03:05:33,15 --> 03:05:36,83
board anymore have strong feelings about
any of the recommended changes we can

2203
03:05:36,84 --> 03:05:42,73
offer them to the select board as it shall
be comprised right. The only thing I

2204
03:05:42,74 --> 03:05:49,28
would ask us to remember us. Is

2205
03:05:49,96 --> 03:05:54,24
I don't know why but the version that we
have tonight says the twenty nine eleven

2206
03:05:54,25 --> 03:05:59,97
version but the most recent version. Is the
nine fourteen eleven version so I just

2207
03:05:59,98 --> 03:06:03,54
want to make sure that when we do try to
incorporate these things you don't have to

2208
03:06:03,55 --> 03:06:07,42
do any more work study I mean take those
red things and we can put them in the

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03:06:07,43 --> 03:06:11,44
right section but let's make sure we're
working from the right version so we

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03:06:11,45 --> 03:06:15,31
appreciate your September the many
iterations that got us to the September

2211
03:06:15,32 --> 03:06:19,04
fourteenth eleven version so we'll want to
make sure that we work from that version

2212
03:06:19,05 --> 03:06:24,90
rather than from the twenty nine version
OK Anything else on the. Thank you for

2213
03:06:25,20 --> 03:06:31,50
think getting us to that point OK chair's
report couple things very quickly. I

2214
03:06:31,51 --> 03:06:32,21
can't remember

2215
03:06:32,22 --> 03:06:38,21
a thing that's unfortunate. Town Meeting
preparation so Mr me said the alluded to

2216
03:06:38,22 --> 03:06:44,28
the review meeting that's going to be
happening next Monday. That is one of the

2217
03:06:44,29 --> 03:06:47,99
standard meetings that happens before
town meeting so I will be attending that

2218
03:06:48,00 --> 03:06:53,09
meeting as the election will not have
happened yet Mr Wilders vice chair this month

2219
03:06:53,10 --> 03:06:59,37
and so he will be attending also because
that way when there's issues to discuss if

2220
03:06:59,38 --> 03:07:03,23
there are issues to discuss before the
warrant is signed on Friday the thirty first

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03:07:03,24 --> 03:07:09,30
at your next meeting. Monday I'm
sorry then Mr world will be able to

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03:07:09,85 --> 03:07:15,23
provide all the information about
discussion and rationale from the Slackware

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03:07:15,24 --> 03:07:22,02
perspective that went along with that.
Handbook speaking of Handbook so I said

2224
03:07:22,30 --> 03:07:24,26
that I would be trying to to create

2225
03:07:24,27 --> 03:07:30,26
a handbook that kind of captures more or
less how things happen right now and so

2226
03:07:30,27 --> 03:07:34,46
I'm still working on that Friday is my
deadline to try and get that to folks you

2227
03:07:34,47 --> 03:07:39,60
can do with it what you will. If if I don't
get it done by Friday then there will

2228
03:07:39,61 --> 03:07:45,00
be no such thing so that will that will
truly be something that you can you can

2229
03:07:45,01 --> 03:07:48,79
disregard you can approve you can amend you
can do anything you want with it but it

2230
03:07:48,80 --> 03:07:54,47
will be some way of kind of passing on
some some code if occasion of at least

2231
03:07:54,48 --> 03:08:00,89
descriptions of how things happen now.
Finally. There was really just the loveliest

2232
03:08:00,90 --> 03:08:07,11
loveliest reception and I just can't tell
you how how good that felt and so thank

2233
03:08:07,12 --> 03:08:10,77
you again to everyone who helped put
that together thank you to everyone who

2234
03:08:10,81 --> 03:08:16,81
attended it just it was mind blowing so
this is mistimed than my last select board

2235
03:08:16,82 --> 03:08:20,52
meeting you will be seeing us at town
meeting on Wednesday if you're at other

2236
03:08:20,53 --> 03:08:24,61
meetings you'll be seeing us there also
up until next Tuesday but but this is our

2237
03:08:24,62 --> 03:08:31,16
last select board meeting so I just wanted
to repeat what I said but much more

2238
03:08:31,17 --> 03:08:37,30
briefly at the. At the reception
earlier which is that has just been

2239
03:08:37,31 --> 03:08:41,45
a tremendous honor to be able to serve
the town in this capacity it has been

2240
03:08:41,49 --> 03:08:46,91
a great honor to work with all of you. I
have appreciated the faith you have put in

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03:08:46,92 --> 03:08:53,75
me to let me serve as chair for lo these
many years and we couldn't have done any

2242
03:08:53,79 --> 03:08:58,69
of the really great and productive work
that we have done if we didn't work so well

2243
03:08:58,70 --> 03:09:00,14
together I think that there has been

2244
03:09:00,15 --> 03:09:06,49
a very strong sense on this board of good
governance and that is kind of our our.

2245
03:09:07,79 --> 03:09:12,93
Overarching theme and goal and I'm
incredibly proud of the work that we've done

2246
03:09:12,94 --> 03:09:18,68
together and I thank you very much for the
opportunity Mr I would like to add my

2247
03:09:18,78 --> 03:09:21,00
appreciation for what was it just

2248
03:09:21,01 --> 03:09:26,71
a wonderful wonderful reception and to
thank my colleagues for making serving on

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03:09:26,72 --> 03:09:27,43
the board such

2250
03:09:27,44 --> 03:09:34,29
a great pleasure it's been wonderful
working with you and. I will miss you

2251
03:09:34,42 --> 03:09:40,34
I will not miss the work. And
also to Mr restate the which from

2252
03:09:40,87 --> 03:09:44,87
a lot of good work I think that
the select board collectively has

2253
03:09:44,88 --> 03:09:48,91
a tremendous relationship with Mr museum
I know that I have an excellent working

2254
03:09:48,92 --> 03:09:55,86
relationship with him and. The
degree of of trust and credibility

2255
03:09:56,12 --> 03:10:03,00
and. Sincerity that is just
so necessary to be shared to

2256
03:10:03,01 --> 03:10:07,29
make things work productively we have
all of that it has really been just

2257
03:10:07,33 --> 03:10:12,74
a treat and so I thank you very much. I
don't think we have anything else talked

2258
03:10:12,75 --> 03:10:19,71
about doing. Mr Hayden before before I
offer my traditional motion I just want to

2259
03:10:19,72 --> 03:10:25,94
make sure for the folks who are
just tuning in that that we are

2260
03:10:26,37 --> 03:10:31,05
showing try to show our appreciation this
evening for Diana Stephanie's work with

2261
03:10:31,06 --> 03:10:34,13
us the past few years I don't think it
can be said early enough or often enough

2262
03:10:34,14 --> 03:10:38,93
thank you so much and then I move to
adjourn once and for all without objection

2263
03:10:38,94 --> 03:10:42,58
this meeting is adjourned at nine
forty pm Thank you very much.